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Toilets - Paris 25 Oct 2021 12:42 #126453

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I recently made a booking at Arsenal Marina for summer '24 and asked specifically about waste water. The below is the response I got

Les bateaux séjournant au port en escale n’ont pas l’obligation d’avoir une cuve de récupération des eaux usées mais ont l’interdiction de rejeter ces eaux dans le bassin du port.

Vous devrez alors utiliser les sanitaires du port mis à votre disposition.


Basically, you don't need to have waste tanks, but you can't let any waste water into the marina.

On a separate topic, I close friend of mine is involved in the organisation of the 2024 games. Last time we spoke, she was very curious about our arrangements in the UK. She mentioned that the laws brought in on the back of using the Paris waterways for open water events would require boaters to not deposit any grey or black water into the river. Definitely a change from how it would have been previously.
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Toilets - Paris 23 Oct 2021 22:43 #126438

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So, one of the guys on YBW - Roberto - has been to see the capitainerie at l'Arsenal -

I've just gone to the Arsenal Basin Fayolle port office to ask, their answers:
1. Nothing must be discharged in the water, no black nor grey waters
2. The "marina" has permanent pump out facilities for all the boats
3. All boats must have grey and black waters tanks and pump out outlets, they will be permanently connected to the shore marina system during the mooring period.
4. Required proof of installation is either a purchase bill or photographic evidence
5. Composting toilets are not allowed
The person knew the rules very well, I think their application is strict.

I forgot to ask, my assumption is the boat grey waters can be collected into the black water tank then discharged, possibly a specific grey water tank is not necessary (?)

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Toilets - Paris 20 Oct 2021 21:53 #126410

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Impressively enough . . .
www.cnews.fr/france/2021-10-19/paris-la-ville-promet-18-milliard-deuros-pour-rendre-la-seine-baignable-avant-2024
" . . "About 1.8 billion euros are on the table today to make the Seine swimmable by 2024", announced Emmanuel Grégoire this Tuesday, October 19 on his Twitter account. . . . "

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Toilets - Paris 19 Oct 2021 20:00 #126380

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I am impressed that you believe the requirements set to are look that far ahead?

See 126200

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Toilets - Paris 19 Oct 2021 12:34 #126366

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As has been suggested on YBW, this may have an 2024 Olympics Seine water sports aspect.

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Toilets - Paris 09 Oct 2021 15:51 #126217

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As has just been pointed out on YBW . .

DOCUMENTS À JOINDRE
Photo récente de l'aspect général du bateau
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Attestation d'assurance en cours de validité
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Papiers du bateau à votre nom (carte de circulation, certificat d'immatriculation, acte de francisation
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Preuve de la présence de cuve(s) de récupération des eaux usées (Photos, facture d’installation, attestation sur l’honneur, etc….). Les devis ou factures d’équipement ne sont pas valables.
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Toilets - Paris 08 Oct 2021 21:59 #126200

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Hello James,

We were last in Arsenal Paris in 2015 and as you say - no issues or questions.

But in recent years they have tightened their rules - not to insist on Black or Grey tanks but to reduce discharges.

So you can have whatever tanks you like - but don't discharge! Use the shore heads!

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Toilets - Paris 08 Oct 2021 19:24 #126195

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No it doesn't say that you must have a grey or blackwater tank - just that you cannot, and will not, discharge black water into the marina - eg use shore heads.

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Toilets - Paris 08 Oct 2021 17:19 #126188

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James Newcombe wrote: .... I wasn't aware that Paris was more stringent, nor that photos of one's installation were required, nor the Arsenal's view ref composting toilets . . . . ! Pretty hopeless, so if anyone can save my embarrassment with some info. I'd be grateful.

Andy's link to the Arsenal Booking form shows this:

It doesn't quite say that you have to have a grey or black tank but it hints at it!


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Toilets - Paris 08 Oct 2021 16:48 #126187

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Not sure why the coy reference to 'another Forum' but thanks for flagging this which I missed on YBW Liveaboard.
forums.ybw.com/index.php?threads/composting-toilets-paris-arsenal-french-canals.571973/
The answer is, I don't know under all headings. I wasn't aware that Paris was more stringent, nor that photos of one's installation were required, nor the Arsenal's view ref composting toilets . . . . ! Pretty hopeless, so if anyone can save my embarrassment with some info. I'd be grateful.

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Toilets - Paris 07 Oct 2021 22:24 #126160

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From another Forum:

We are planning to go through the canals to the med via Paris. We did this in 2003 equipped with a sea toilet which we simply never used. I understand that rules are now more stringent, and in Paris they want pictures of your installation. Does anyone (Grehan?) know how Composting toilets are viewed by the VNF and in particular the marina at Paris Arsenal? Any tips on getting into the Paris Arsenal? Last time we were there for 6 months and it was really straightforward, but I assume it’s got more difficult?

Any recent information?

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