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Country of Registration - GB, NL, or Poland?

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17 Nov 2023 03:07 #1 by Michael Martin
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We are from the USA, barge in France, Polish Registry, British insurance. Go figure. 
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  • Tim Cahill-O\'Brien
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13 Nov 2023 10:00 #2 by Tim Cahill-O\'Brien
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If you keep the boat in the Netherlands then I would suggest sticking to the Dutch Kadaster.  Remember the old adage about the Day you Buy is the Day you Sell and consider what the next buyer of you boat will want.  Dutch steel boats are very popular in the Netherlands and there is a good chance that when you sell it will be to a Dutch buyer who will prefer the Dutch Kadaster.

The registration country impacts where you can get insurance and also where you can get the Ships station VHF license.  There is some flexability on the insurance but make sure that you can get coverage in the place you want to sail.  For example, you can register in Malta but I would not hold out much hope on getting a Maltese insurance company to cover the northern european canals.  There are lots of companies such as DNA in the netherlands that are happy to insure a Dutch boat and cover all of the EU within 20km of the coasts by default.

The radio license is by far the trickiest part and what limits your choice the most.  I think most countries only issue station licenses to their own boats and to their own residents.  The netherlands has become increasingly difficult and you can no longer apply online if you are not a Benelux resident.  Instead you have to call them and do it on the phone and you need a mailing address.  it is all a bit iffy and each year I half expect that I will not be able to renew.  That said we have had no problems as Maltese residents insuring, licencing  and registering a Dutch registered boat using a Marina address in Sneek.

Regarding surveyors for houses or boats, they are in a difficult position as they can be sued for missing something or for messing up a sale by the seller.  Many boats do not have good access to the hull from inside and it can be hard to inspect.  You will find that most surveyors will say things verbally in private that they wont put in writing.  As such you absolutely have to be with the surveyor during the inspection.  You will glean a lot more information from what they say vrs what they are willing to put in writing.  In many countries people will not put anything in writing at all.

Its good to look at boatshows etc to see what you want but when you are ready to buy, then it can be a good idea to use a buyers broker in the netherlands.  We used Rene Smits who operates a discount brokerage.  The boats are all shown by the seller at their home port and there is no brokerage port with boats for sale etc.  The commissions are a small fraction of what the big brokerages charge and so are popular with the Dutch.  I have found the sellers to be more motivated and the prices a bit lower.  That said once you buy you are own your own and have no big brokerage with service department who will warranty issues and help you get things fixed.  We flew into the Netherlands for a 4 day trip and Rene picked up up and drove us to see about 10 boats which we had selected online.  On the fourth day we had an offer agreed.  But dont do this until you are really ready to buy as the broker will quickly become frustrated if you are not serious.  The best places to look are the places with the big populations such as South Holland around Rotterdam.  Many sellers like to keep their boats within a hours drive of where they live.  While Sneek is great for new boats and service, there are not as many owners living nearby selling their own boats such as in Rotterdam.

Good luck
 
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  • Haris Golemis
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13 Nov 2023 08:54 #3 by Haris Golemis
Replied by Haris Golemis on topic Country of Registration - GB, NL, or Poland?
Hello Richard,
My boat is registered in Poland, previously in Netherlands under light register which unfortunately is not valid any longer, so I had to re-regiser it.
Have a look at here:  www.yachtregistration.company/ , there are many options available to choose.

Haris

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12 Nov 2023 13:00 #4 by Richard Brown
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Yes we are mainly looking at buying in the EU, but there are a few interesting boats advertised in the UK.

So the VAT issue is not relevant if the boat was purchased (or even originally sold) in the EU, and then registered in the UK?

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  • Andy Soper
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12 Nov 2023 12:32 #5 by Andy Soper
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Hello Richard,

Have a look at the application form - in particular 'ordinarily resident' -  HERE

The length of stay is a restriction for UK VAT paid boats temporarily imported to the EU - but you are planning to buy in the EU?

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12 Nov 2023 12:18 #6 by Richard Brown
Replied by Richard Brown on topic Country of Registration - GB, NL, or Poland?
Thanks.

Why is SSR out?
I thought I read somewhere there is a restriction on the length of time a British boat can stay in the EU, but cannot find that information again...

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  • Andy Soper
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12 Nov 2023 11:40 #7 by Andy Soper
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Hello Richard,

That takes SSR out of the running brings Poland up the running order to achieve registration in an EU country - possible route  HERE .

Do apply to HKJ for insurance through the website  HERE  . They have a sister company Aston Lark operating out of Dublin to insure craft in
the EU.

You might want to update your address on your 'My details' page if you want the next Blue Flag to get to you promptly!

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Andy Soper
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12 Nov 2023 11:25 #8 by Richard Brown
Replied by Richard Brown on topic Country of Registration - GB, NL, or Poland?

Andy Soper wrote: Which country are you resident in - and is that where you paln to keep the boat?

You might find the discussion in this thread useful  HERE

Thanks Andy, will have a look.

We are currently residents in Switzerland (which is not an option for registration, from what I understand). 

The intention is to travel for two whole seasons (with the winter pause in between) through the Netherlands, Germany, and France.
Where it spends winter is not decided - but expect NL or FR.

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12 Nov 2023 11:05 #9 by Andy Soper
Replied by Andy Soper on topic Country of Registration - GB, NL, or Poland?
Which country are you resident in - and is that where you paln to keep the boat?

You might find the discussion in this thread useful  HERE

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Andy Soper
DBA Director Representation and Treasurer
mv Neeltje
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12 Nov 2023 09:43 #10 by Richard Brown
Country of Registration - GB, NL, or Poland? was created by Richard Brown
Hello,
We are looking at buying a Dutch steel cruiser 12.5 - 15m (might still be tempted by a small <20m barge, if one comes along).
So far we have mainly been looking in the Netherlands, as buying in France or Germany seems to involve more hassle with licencing and registration, and also the higher number of boats for sale.

Our question is, where should we register the boat?
NL: We have no Dutch connection - but it still seems possible by using a Broker/Marina address...??
UK: I am British, but live on the continent. Seems like it is still possible on the SSR. 

Are there any restrictions or disadvantages to having a British flagged boat in Europe long term
It is unlikely we will even take the boat back to England, and if we do it will only be short-term.

Third option: Poland! It was suggested to me by a French Broker. Any advice/experience?

Any advise is appreciated.

Thanks

 

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