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Surveyor wanted in NL for the purchase of a Dutch Steel Cruiser

  • Peter Abbott
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04 Nov 2023 16:49 #11 by Peter Abbott
I looked again on the HISWA website and HISWA does have a disputes committee.

Disputes committee | HISWA yachtbrokers


I pasted the link directly in the post, not using the link button as before - hope it works.

I also asked the mods if they could correct the previous bad link.  However, when I tried to paste the web address directly into this post, it didn't display correctly.  Could be a HISWA website issue rather than a DBA website issue.....

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04 Nov 2023 16:27 #12 by Peter Abbott
 Julian - so sorry to hear about your experience with Duursma.

Upon looking in the Supplier Directory I can see one positive review for Duursma dating from 2017.  It would be helpful if you could add your experiences here, though to protect yourself, I recommend that anything you say can be evidenced.

Disappointingly, Duursma are [url=https://www.hiswa.nl/en/hiswa-certified-yachtbrokers?f[certificaten][]=91]HISWA registered[/url] (put them in the yachtbroker search).  If the action taken by your insurance didn't legally close this issue, might it be worth enquiring with HISWA if they can obtain further restitution on your behalf?

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04 Nov 2023 14:28 #13 by Julian Edwards
We went with Duursma after a DBA recommendation. We purchased Xavier during Covid lockdown on the glowing hull survey from this surveyor.

When the barge arrived in the UK it was leaking in several places and they refused to even visit to inspect.

Detailed inspection showed that readings were taken next to visible pits, yet the depth of the pit was not taken into account. All the surveyor did was point to the small print showing that they only guarantee the area that they inspected. We ultimately found over twenty significant areas where there were large holes and the only option was to spend six months and over £150,000 in the drydock. We have subsequently had to spend a considerable amount of money rebuilding inside as it had to be gutted to carry out the overplating. 

One year later and we are still traumatised by the whole experience, the insurance company managed to recover 10% of our direct costs, nothing for losing almost a year of accommodation or the stress caused. We would not have gone ahead with the purchase were it not for a good hull survey.

So this is one surveyor that I cannot recommend if you have an old hull. 

Now, sold our house to live full time on a barge. A large boat and lots to do on it.
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04 Nov 2023 13:41 #14 by James Littlewood
Is there anything else I should consider prior to paying the deposit and engaging a surveyor?
YES: check the VAT and the RCD position before you move forward.
I also recommend Duursma.
Regards
James.
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04 Nov 2023 13:07 #15 by Colin Stone
Thanks Matthew.  I had a quick look at Aliexpress. 
This caught my eye:
www.aliexpress.com/item/1005005495119361.html ?  

Colin Stone
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04 Nov 2023 11:34 #16 by Matthew Emeny
Hi Colin , it’s only of eBay so nothing special. It’s Wintact WT100A.

I have included so pics

Regards Matt 
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04 Nov 2023 09:33 #17 by Colin Stone
Matthew, 

bought a thickness tester .... 

Interesting. Which make/model did you get?? 

Colin Stone
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04 Nov 2023 09:09 #18 by Matthew Emeny
We bought in December last year and had a survey, unfortunately he missed quite a few bits that I later found. I also bought a thickness tester ( they are not expensive ), and went round the hull after he had left to check my readings against his and they were the same. 

We bought in Belgium so can’t help with a surveyor in the NL I’m afraid .

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03 Nov 2023 13:33 #19 by Julian Edwards
We also used Duursma, it ended up costing us a fortune. Yes there was a long list of minor issues found, but the major item, the hull survey was worthless. The survey to quote "Corrosion NONE" we needed 75% overplating below the waterline. 

Now, sold our house to live full time on a barge. A large boat and lots to do on it.
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03 Nov 2023 10:10 #20 by Tim Cahill-O\'Brien
Replied by Tim Cahill-O\'Brien on topic Surveyor wanted in NL for the purchase of a Dutch Steel Cruiser
I used Duursma for my survey.  He was very thorough and found a long list of items.  I had a local yard in Sneek estimate the cost to repair all the items and used that in the negotiations.  More than saved the cost of the surveyor and as a bonus I had a list of things to work on over the following years.  
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