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Getting an ICC for > 20m Barge for Australians

  • Andy Soper
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15 Apr 2024 22:28 #1 by Andy Soper
Replied by Andy Soper on topic Getting an ICC for > 20m Barge for Australians
I discussed the ICC informally with the RYA  team in the margins of the EBA last week.

It appears that the >10m limit was created to differentiate between outboard motor RIBs and 'proper' boats - inboard engined, shaft driven cruisers and barges.  Needless to say with the passage of time and the development of stern drives and water jets the length rule is no longer totally valid.

It would appear that RYA and IYT examiners may have some lee-way - particularly if the ICC by assesment route is taken.

Both organisations do try to point you towards doing their courses rather than the assessment - better earners!

I will pursue further............................

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Andy Soper
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  • Tam Murrell
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14 Apr 2024 16:07 #2 by Tam Murrell
Replied by Tam Murrell on topic Getting an ICC for > 20m Barge for Australians
They may well be too far away, but I see that Yachmaster Sailing School based in Melbourne are an RYA accredited school. They offer an ICC with Inland Endorsement for vessels ≤ 10m or ≤ 24m. As they are an RYA school I can't think of any reason they talk of  24m limit, as we successfully persuaded the RYA to drop that several years ago. Historically 24m/80grt are limits imposed by the MCA on UK pleasure craft at sea, but we made the point that Resolution 40 makes no mention of any length limit, and MCA has no jurisdiction in continental European waters.

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  • Chris Rowling
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13 Apr 2024 14:45 #3 by Chris Rowling
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Hi Caitlin

I used Cruising School UK at Stourport on the Severn. Was good but I am not sure Rod works anymore.

Regards
Chris

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  • Caitlin Street
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13 Apr 2024 11:53 #4 by Caitlin Street
Replied by Caitlin Street on topic Getting an ICC for > 20m Barge for Australians
Thanks Chris.

I have read the EPG thread (thanks for bringing it to my attention) and have looked at the IYT site and for the over 10 less than 24 m ICC inland the nearest choices to Australia are Thailand (4 schools) or Philippines (1 school).  

I have booked Bisham Abbey as it seems as useful as I an find.  I see you did yours there a few years ago.

Cheers

Caitlin

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  • Chris Rowling
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13 Apr 2024 08:16 #5 by Chris Rowling
Replied by Chris Rowling on topic Getting an ICC for > 20m Barge for Australians
Hi Caitlin

If you have not been following the PP EGP thread, OP Paul Willems, then look at IYT Worldwide too. Make sure you specify the length you need before getting the ICC so they teach on an appropriate boat.

Regards
Chris





 

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  • Caitlin Street
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23 Mar 2024 12:53 #6 by Caitlin Street
Replied by Caitlin Street on topic Getting an ICC for > 20m Barge for Australians
I’ve just looked at the RYA website and the “inland waterways/ ICC test centre” suggested Taipei sailing club as my nearest over 10 m inland ICC course!  I think I’m left with Bisham Abbey!

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  • Andy Soper
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18 Mar 2024 10:59 #7 by Andy Soper
Replied by Andy Soper on topic Getting an ICC for > 20m Barge for Australians
Similarly the Dutch police will expect Dutch residents to have a Dutch qualification.  But you will likely only encounter Dutch police in the Rotterdam area and on the great Rivers - Waal, Mass etc. '

And have been encountered in Amsterdam and surroundings eg Zaandam , Friesland, Leuwarden, indeed almost anywhere.  In Belgium you can encounter officials from theTransport Ministry, Police, and Douane almost everywhere!

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Andy Soper
DBA Director Representation and Treasurer
mv Neeltje
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  • Tim Cahill-O\'Brien
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18 Mar 2024 10:43 #8 by Tim Cahill-O\'Brien
Replied by Tim Cahill-O\'Brien on topic Getting an ICC for > 20m Barge for Australians
One thing to consider is that it depends on your residency.  So if you become a French Resident and have a French ID then the French police are going to expect you to have French qualifications.  They do not want French citizens to go to the UK for their ICC when they could do the French exams instead.

So I am a Maltese resident and have a UK RYA ICC as I am an American citizen.  It covers me across europe but not in Malta.  I have a Maltese Nautical license for here.  So if Im stopped by police on the water in Malta on a rented boat and present my Maltese ID then they want to see my Maltese qualification and not a UK ICC, but there could be a UK tourist on the next boat with UK id and they would accept their identical RYA ICC but not mine.

Similarly the Dutch police will expect Dutch residents to have a Dutch qualification.  But you will likely only encounter Dutch police in the Rotterdam area and on the great Rivers - Waal, Mass etc.

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  • Chris Rowling
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18 Mar 2024 01:54 #9 by Chris Rowling
Replied by Chris Rowling on topic Getting an ICC for > 20m Barge for Australians
Hi Tim

Oz not a member state.

Regards
Chris

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  • Tim Cahill-O\'Brien
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16 Mar 2024 18:48 #10 by Tim Cahill-O\'Brien
Replied by Tim Cahill-O\'Brien on topic Getting an ICC for > 20m Barge for Australians
You can get an rya issued icc here in Malta.  Try prosailing.  I got mine from Malta sailing academy and just renewed it last month too.  Also did the radio operators license course and did the cevni online.  You need to be a citizen if a country that didn't sign the un article 40 such as the USA.. Not sure about oz.  Check with the UK rya.  They rented a fishing boat so I could get power over 10 meters.

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