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French Registration - Over 20m at 22m LOA 22 Oct 2020 10:38 #119183

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I have moved Tim's post on EU Gas installation Standards to a new conversation in 'Barges.

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French Registration - Over 20m at 22m LOA 22 Oct 2020 09:05 #119176

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Thanks for the registration link. I'll have a look at it.
I only gave gas fittings as an example of how different nations have different standards. Another could be brazed joins or compression joins on fuel lines??

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French Registration - Over 20m at 22m LOA 22 Oct 2020 07:13 #119173

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maybe this needs a new topic heading but regarding compression fittings for gaz aboard, I've never had a problem with it, provided of course that they actually are the correct right hand thread gaz compression fittings.

Orange Marine sell them exactly for for the purpose www.orange-marine.com/accessoires-pour-gaz/16119-raccord-droit-pour-gaz.html

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French Registration - Over 20m at 22m LOA 21 Oct 2020 22:39 #119172

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maybe this link is better
www.driea.ile-de-france.developpement-durable.gouv.fr/immatriculer-un-bateau-neuf-ou-etranger-a4128.html

In this part
Ce que vous devez faire :
Télécharger et remplir le formulaire pour une demande immatriculation (format pdf - 191 ko - 10/12/2015)

A needle in the haystack scenario

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French Registration - Over 20m at 22m LOA 21 Oct 2020 22:26 #119171

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French Registration - Over 20m at 22m LOA 21 Oct 2020 22:17 #119170

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Thanks Tim. That looks like the missing link. For the Knowledgebase, can you give a link to the page that got you to the form.

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French Registration - Over 20m at 22m LOA 21 Oct 2020 22:02 #119169

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here's there registration form for private foreign boats over 20m
www.driea.ile-de-france.developpement-durable.gouv.fr/IMG/pdf/formulaire_immatriculation.pdf
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French Registration - Over 20m at 22m LOA 21 Oct 2020 21:46 #119168

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If you struggle with the French burocracy try the Dutch. Maybe the NBKB ( who I have found to be very approachable) or Peter Vorman for advise/suggestions.

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French Registration - Over 20m at 22m LOA 21 Oct 2020 21:38 #119167

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Tim Harrold wrote: Hi Colin

Well he is nothing if not correct, ;) interior boats aren't registered with the RIF, they are registered with the DRIEA
here's a link, www.driea.ile-de-france.developpement-durable.gouv.fr/immatriculer-un-bateau-neuf-ou-etranger-a4128.html

And there we find the Catch22 , I think:

Which boat must be registered?
Any boat which usually circulates in France and whose owners have their usual residence there....
And:
- With a deadweight of 20 metric tons or more for a freight vessel;
- for other vessels, vessel with a volume equal to or greater than 10 cubic meters or with a weight equal to or greater than 10 tonnes (the volume is calculated by multiplying length by width by draft).
- The floating establishments do not have an obligation to be registered.
- If it is a motorized pleasure boat less than 20 meters in length

So what about the over 20m? Colin needs to send another email.
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French Registration - Over 20m at 22m LOA 21 Oct 2020 20:57 #119165

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Hi Colin

Well he is nothing if not correct, ;) interior boats aren't registered with the RIF, they are registered with the DRIEA
here's a link, www.driea.ile-de-france.developpement-durable.gouv.fr/immatriculer-un-bateau-neuf-ou-etranger-a4128.html

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French Registration - Over 20m at 22m LOA 21 Oct 2020 20:19 #119164

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Hi Colin

First part of your questions, don't know, sorry.

Second part "And any French peculiarities on systems eg compression joints vs brazed??"

I've seen differing reaction from different "Experts de Gaz", some nearly have a fit at the sight of compression fittings, others spray with leak detection fluid, when no bubbles start, they give a Garlic shrug, and say "c'est bon", and complete an inspection form. Another agreed to one screwed fitting in the installation, everything else brazed with silver solder, wanting to see the packet and flux container.
I've not seen one put a manometer on a test point, to do a soundness test 😳🙄.

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French Registration - Over 20m at 22m LOA 21 Oct 2020 19:41 #119163

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Really useful reply from RIF. Clearly in the category of every form of assistance short of actual help!!

Bonjour,

Malheureusement, le Registre international français n'est pas ouvert aux bateaux de navigation intérieure.
Bien cordialement,


Le 21/10/2020 à 12:51, > crmstone (par Internet) a écrit :
Bonjour,

J'envoie un e-mail pour connaître la possibilité d'inscrire un bateau de navigation intérieure de 22 m au registre français du RIF. Le navire dispose d'un certificat ES-TRIN actuel, délivré en 2017 et valable jusqu'en 2024. Le navire est actuellement immatriculé au Royaume-Uni.
J'ai hâte de vous entendre,

Cordialement,

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French Registration - Over 20m at 22m LOA 21 Oct 2020 12:47 #119157

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Thanks. Saw that. Sending an email.

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French Registration - Over 20m at 22m LOA 21 Oct 2020 12:38 #119156

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Colin Stone wrote: Looking for information on French registration. The DBA links cover 5-20m vessels and commercial vessels inc yachts over 24m.

When putting together the DBA KB entry about French registration, I got the impression that any boat requiring ES-TRIN was treated as commercial, even if not actually. Any clarifcation welcome!

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French Registration - Over 20m at 22m LOA 21 Oct 2020 08:50 #119148

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Looking for information on French registration. The DBA links cover 5-20m vessels and commercial vessels inc yachts over 24m.
So just wondering if anyone has made the move to French Registration with a ES-TRIN vessel??
Is it then mandatory to French ES-TRIN inspections?? And any French peculiarities on systems eg compression joints vs brazed??

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