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Sambre a l'Oise 12 Sep 2020 13:10 #118467

Colin Stone wrote: Bob, too far to cycle to V from Beautor, 37km. OK from Origny. So will drive once back in Douai and have a look.


Thanks Colin. I need to go back to school, I thought it was 'only' 20km plus, as if that wasn't far enough!

For the sake of completeness I will post whatever I get from Olivier M.

I must get round to contacting Francine Kimp of CanalSet.

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Sambre a l'Oise 12 Sep 2020 12:42 #118465

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Bob, too far to cycle to V from Beautor, 37km. OK from Origny. So will drive once back in Douai and have a look.

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Sambre a l'Oise 12 Sep 2020 03:30 #118462

Colin Stone wrote: ... we last came up here late September 2 years ago and it was fine.
Think the herbes just reflects the rest of the canals and fertiliser run off from agriculture.


In addition to fertiliser run-off the lack of boat traffic has allowed any suspended particles in the water to settle resulting in the strong sun getting through to the plant life on the bottom causing photosynthesis to accelerate growth. So I hear.

I know the last time we visited Vadencourt together, Colin, it was by car but I am wondering, while you are in the area, if it might be possible for you to take a look to see if there is any work going on at Macquigny and/or Vadencourt. Or is it a bridge too far? The last I heard they were supposed to start work in August???

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Sambre a l'Oise 11 Sep 2020 23:27 #118460

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Many thanks Bob.
Even I know the difference between algae and herbes in a canal context!!
Reassuring that even if having PC Navigo wouldn't have helped me.
I think a fat chance being able to be navigable for May next year when a huge amount of weed clearance will need to be done. I guess above Origny will be really bad - we last came up here late September 2 years ago and it was fine.
Think the herbes just reflects the rest of the canals and fertiliser run off from agriculture.

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Sambre a l'Oise 11 Sep 2020 20:11 #118457

Right. As it happens I called Olivier Matrat, Adjoint au chef du Service Exploitation Maintenance Environnement - NPdeC, ahead of your last post. It so happens that the responsibility of NPdC covers the Sambre Canalisé from the Belgian border to the summit pound, which coincides with the département change from Nord to Aisne. From there responsibility lies for the Canal de la Sambre à l'Oise with DT Bassin de la Seine - UTI Canaux de Picardie Champagne-Ardenne which is based in Reims. So, they should have been able to give you the information you sought and which you subsequently discovered by your own research.

Olivier Matrat said he would look into it and come back to me. I will post his findings.

Clearly, from what you found you would not wish to proceed anyway! However, we need to know a) why the staff you spoke to did not know what the problem was and b) what they are doing to alleviate it and c) when are they going to do that.

I checked with PC-Navigo and no mention at all. Clearly the UTI are keeping it to themselves.

I also asked Olivier the state of the works to repair the two aqueducts and he said they were working towards a May 2021 opening of the through route.

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Sambre a l'Oise 11 Sep 2020 16:23 #118452

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It's OK Bob. Just cycled up to PK 61. The 2.20m mouillage is spot on but the algae, not an issue normally, that the VNF were mentioning is nowhere near the truth. Thick, thick, thick weed bottom to surface. And I guess it gets worse towards Origny St Benoite.
So, true it is closed but a bit of a failure when non of the Avis and Network info has the information.
Wonder if PC Navigo has anything??
Can see it being quite a challenge to get fit for navigation next year??

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Sambre a l'Oise 11 Sep 2020 15:10 #118449

Colin Stone wrote: Well, I don't know what the VNF game is??
There is a mid July Avis with mouillage 2.20m and navigate with prudence. Happy with that. No further Avis or indication on the network state.
Spoke to control centres at St Quentin and Reims and just told that only commercials can go as far as Vendhuile. Closed montant after that. Locks appear to be open with single red light. And small boat disappeared montant yesterday and hasn't returned!!
Today sat at Travecy lock, the VNF were around and at 1400 the lock red light was switched off.
If the VNF wanted to piss boaters off so they can shut a canal due to low traffic, they are going about it well.
But then the VNF talk about the Vadencourt section opening next year.
Should have gone to the Somme, who welcome boats. Even have a decent flag.


Hi Colin,

Hold one! I will call my contact in Lille as I understand NPdeC have joint responsibility for this sector.

Your perseverance is appreciated.

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Bob

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Sambre a l'Oise 11 Sep 2020 14:25 #118447

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Well, I don't know what the VNF game is??
There is a mid July Avis with mouillage 2.20m and navigate with prudence. Happy with that. No further Avis or indication on the network state.
Spoke to control centres at St Quentin and Reims and just told that only commercials can go as far as Vendhuile. Closed montant after that. Locks appear to be open with single red light. And small boat disappeared montant yesterday and hasn't returned!!
Today sat at Travecy lock, the VNF were around and at 1400 the lock red light was switched off.
If the VNF wanted to piss boaters off so they can shut a canal due to low traffic, they are going about it well.
But then the VNF talk about the Vadencourt section opening next year.
Should have gone to the Somme, who welcome boats. Even have a decent flag.

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Sambre a l'Oise 09 Sep 2020 21:23 #118411

Well done Colin, vital the pressure stays on to fix and reopen

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Sambre a l'Oise 09 Sep 2020 15:43 #118409

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On our short jaunt this summer, we thought we'd go up the Oise from Tergnier to Origny St Benoite, sugar basin. Set off from Chauny this morning to meet a VNF chap at an early lock who was muttering about the water with much sucking of teeth. He initially thought we were trying to go into Belgium, which of course we can't yet.
So moored up at Beautor. Planned stop anyway.
The next lock, Travecy 35, is showing a single red, as expected, so not closed.

VNF network state 4 September only has this:

Canal de la Sambre à l'Oise
entre les pk 30.043 (écluse n°18 de Grand Verly) et
pk 31.642 (écluse n° 19 de Vadencourt)

Which is incorrect anyway.

The waterways manager arrived and once again was muttering about water - and algae.

So not sure what they are up to. Unless they just can't be bothered with a single plaisance using the locks.

Perhaps the VNF should adopt an aircraft routing system where boats can file a passage plan??

Any ideas??
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