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Canal de la Marne au Rhin Closed Indefinitely! 26 Jul 2022 09:32 #130826

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I got this response from Gordon and LInda Lightbody to my first FB post on this subject.

We came out to move to Sillery from Toul with crew for 3 weeks on our way home now but would like to get there for the Autumn due to expectations of another eye operation for Gordon! Would be interested if anything could be arranged! As soon as the rains arrived!!!
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Canal de la Marne au Rhin Closed Indefinitely! 24 Jul 2022 10:57 #130803

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The other thing to bear in mind is that the depths listed by the VNF for various routes are more of a promise than a fact. We have a pretty accurate depth meter on our 1.1m draught boat which is calibrated so that we are aground when the meter goes to -0.1 and has been tested many times this summer. On the Canal de la Meuse there was only about 1.1 meters at the center of the upstream entrances to the lock cuts even though it has a depth restriction of 1.6 and on the Canal des Ardennes which is listed at 1.4 had less than 1.1 from Saint Aignan upstream. when we ran aground and turned back. So the listed depth does not seem to refer to how much water is in the canal, rather it lists the max depth of your boat where the VNF will help refloat you by trying to raise the water level etc. This is a critical piece of information to your planning. The listed depth does not relate to whether you will run aground as it does in standard navigation, rather it is a promise by the VNF to try to refloat you after you do. But like any promise, the VNF have to have the water available to keep that promise. So certainly for the Meuse and Ardennes routes you are deciding on whether to trust in that promise.

They will certainly try, but with this drought and the multiple interests all competing for the same water, the VNF may not have the capacity.
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Canal de la Marne au Rhin Closed Indefinitely! 23 Jul 2022 21:22 #130793

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Since a number of you have mentioned a list may I disabuse you of that thought. There is no list but what you see in this forum topic. There are also other forum topics concerning different problems with other waterways.

In addition, this topic should more correctly be in Stoppages, Hazards and Levels and I will move it presently.

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Canal de la Marne au Rhin Closed Indefinitely! 23 Jul 2022 17:26 #130791

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My planned route was Canal de la Marne au Rhin to Vitry-le-Francois, Canal lateral à la Marne, then continuing north through Reims. Then I would decide which route to take back northwards into Belgium depending on time available. Now I would be happy to take whatever route is open.
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Canal de la Marne au Rhin Closed Indefinitely! 23 Jul 2022 14:38 #130790

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Will do, Terry (on both counts) - list now up to 3 so far. What is / was going to be your preferred route back to Brugge?

Is anyone else in a similar predicament and would like to share the info?

Some may not wish to divulge on a public forum that they're stuck in the middle of nowhere, in which case please feel free to PM me.

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Canal de la Marne au Rhin Closed Indefinitely! 23 Jul 2022 13:48 #130789

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Thank you Peter for the detail,
I have been caught by this so please add CarolAnn to your list as I would like to return to my winter mooring in Brugge. I'm currently waiting in Nancy as Toul harbour is full. Can you raise the lack of notice given by VNF in FR/2022/04093 this was less than 48hrs and not enough time to get through the closed section.
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Canal de la Marne au Rhin Closed Indefinitely! 21 Jul 2022 13:00 #130768

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Canal de la Marne au Rhin Closed Indefinitely! 21 Jul 2022 12:58 #130767

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I must apologise to other users, I confess that when going to the Forum I always think generally "Recent Topics" or more specifically "European Waterways" but not "Stoppages etc.", which is a bit daft of me. "Must do better" as my school reports invariably stated.

Anyway, on this particular topic, please refer to:
barges.org/forum/waterways-continental-europe/27584-canal-de-la-marne-au-rhin-closed-indefinitely#130766

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Canal de la Marne au Rhin Closed Indefinitely! 21 Jul 2022 12:50 #130766

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Hi Ian

Sorry, you've got me there: which "list"? Do you mean a list of people affected by this closure? If so, it's a list of one so far - but happy to add you too! :)

I wouldn't be too hopeful about the CMRO opening early in September for the reasons you mention.

VNF have 'promised' to keep us updated on developments. Watch this space ...

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Canal de la Marne au Rhin Closed Indefinitely! 21 Jul 2022 11:00 #130765

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Hi Pete,
Thanks for the comprehensive background. If I'm not on your list, add me. With a hivernage booked at Toul (mid/late-September start) and currently on the Canal du Loing, we are blocked from that winter option by the closure.

So, they are saying "most probably until the end of August" - does that mean that they will 'probably be open in September'? I would have imagined it was dependent on rain and that the cement company will presumably be back in operation after their August break. I'd be very interested in the VNF view of what will happen in early to mid-September.

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Canal de la Marne au Rhin Closed Indefinitely! 21 Jul 2022 08:10 #130760

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I have retitled this topic to draw people's attention. This post replaces my yesterday's post entitled Canal de la Marne au Rhin. (Moderator please delete if possible).

I received 2 separate infos from VNF DT NE yesterday: the Canal de la Marne au Rhin Ouest is and will remain closed at least until the end of July, most probably till the end of August unless there is plenty of rain, which does not seem likely.

This closure particularly affects the stretch from Toul to Bar-le-Duc. The reason given by both VNF correspondents is the extreme lack of water, while one clarifies the situation further by explaining that it is exacerbated by the need to keep cement company SAGRAM's barges running between Golbey and Thaon till end July (annual summer shutdown). The Bouzey reservoir, which was already well below par due to major planned renovation works, is being reserved exclusively for this purpose.

He politely suggests, as if it would not otherwise have occurred to us, that attendees perhaps raise the subject at the next CLU DT NE in September - I hope he knows what he's letting himself in for! I can hear the storm of outrage already.

A contact from another waterways organisation with whom I've been in touch on the matter suggest we bundle our efforts. So it would be useful to hear from members who are affected with your experiences, either directly (e.g. stuck on the canal or nearby) or indirectly (e.g. changes to route planning). So far I am aware of one case directly, which was the one that led to my enquiries with VNF, and of 4-5 others anecdotally.

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