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24v Freshwater Pump 21 Sep 2020 17:45 #118624

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Thanks for all your input. I have installed a Parmax 4 Plus alongside an existing 8 litre accumulator. Jabsco's technical support tells me I could install a larger accumulator and the pump or at least the pressure switch would last longer. I would guess that a 20 litre or 24 litre tank is about as big as would fit, but should I really bother? I didn't find out how much it costs to replace the pressure switch, but I wonder if after a couple of years, replacing a pressure switch will be cheaper and less trouble than buying and installing an accumulator (a very quick search showed a new 24 litre accumulator at £50).
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24v Freshwater Pump 13 Sep 2020 13:32 #118482

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Great video! I thought that the plastic oil can was the height of technology here until I saw the mobile phone!

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24v Freshwater Pump 13 Sep 2020 12:32 #118481

Balliol Fowden wrote: Oh dear!

One of the beauties of the old piston pump is that you could fit any suitable industrial electric motor, for example 230 volt, so you could change the motor and run off your inverter if that made power supply easier. These pumps have been steam driven in the past, or even bicycle driven!

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Not a piston pump but........
youtu.be/s-XrexxNhLA
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24v Freshwater Pump 13 Sep 2020 12:02 #118480

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Oh dear!

One of the beauties of the old piston pump is that you could fit any suitable industrial electric motor, for example 230 volt, so you could change the motor and run off your inverter if that made power supply easier. These pumps have been steam driven in the past, or even bicycle driven!

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24v Freshwater Pump 12 Sep 2020 22:51 #118473

Great post Bob, thank you.

I have only owned my barge for just 20 months, finding a water pump like the Stork fitting and working fine was a real treat and to be honest I’ll probably fit a Perspex screen in front so that all on board can enjoy its splendour :) The power supply to the ship and this pump is more of a concern. The previous owner liked to organically grow his wiring over 30 years and now I need to standardise. Check out the attached - the fuse board with large drum fuses.
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24v Freshwater Pump 12 Sep 2020 20:39 #118472

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Thanks for the link to Speck Bob. Looking at it I suspect my pump is a Speck, but then that might show how little I have looked at it over the years! I don’t recall seeing a plate on it, but will have to look more carefully!

There were numerous makes of piston pumps, Myers and Lister being two U.K. types, many dating back to the Victorians, so they are rightly treated as museum pieces and indeed have their own band of followers, often to be seen at steam fairs etc. Most certainly not to be consigned to the scrap bin. I had a plan to bring mine home and overhaul it this winter, but the way things are looking I will be lucky if I get to the ship again this side of new year and there will be a list of other jobs to do first. Mine is working fine apart from, as said, a slight leak from the stuffing gland, which is seized.

Here is a link to one of several YouTube videos on the subject: youtu.be/8mhV9zYtN5Q

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24v Freshwater Pump 12 Sep 2020 13:57 #118469

Sean Grundy wrote: A great question John. The attached shows my own pump and i am concerned about the availability of spares when it gives up. Perhaps one for the museum.

I’ll be interested to know what solution you went with


Hello Sean,

IMHO your pump does not deserve to go to the museum.

I'm not sure which came first, Stork or Speck but your photos of a Stork look remarkably like the Speck PM10 hydrophor that was installed in
La Chouette in 1993 and has given excellent service since, with up to 10 people on board from time to time.

Like Balliol with his Stork, I have had to do minimal maintenance over the years. I have just bought some spares from Speck Pumps in High Wycombe as I have a pressure tank full of water so the snifter valve probably needs replacing along with the ball valve inside the tank. Here is the manual ans spare parts list for my pump if it is of any use.

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And here are the coordinates of Speck UK:

SPECK Pumps (UK) Ltd.

11/12 Wycombe Industrial Mall West End Street
High Wycombe Bucks HP11 2QY
Telephone: (01494) 523203 Fax: (01494) 441542

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However, all that may be irrelevant so here is the website of Stork Pumps:

www.stork.com/en/capabilities/mechanical-piping/pump-services

and their contact details:

PUMP SERVICES
Netherlands

+31 (0) 88 089 1200

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Bob

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24v Freshwater Pump 11 Sep 2020 17:18 #118453

also Par Max 4



www.fisheriessupply.com/jabsco-parmax-replacement-parts

they are one who sell the pressure switches
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24v Freshwater Pump 11 Sep 2020 16:22 #118451

I apologise, it was a Speck not Stork pump. Very similar, at €485, without electric motor.

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24v Freshwater Pump 11 Sep 2020 13:28 #118444

The Stork pumps are still available new . I spotted one today in Van Den Bossche barge shop at Evergem.
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24v Freshwater Pump 11 Sep 2020 13:00 #118441

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Thanks everyone, I think I'm going to go for the Jabsco Parmax 4: it was what was in the barge when we bought it 10 years ago. I would guess I won't have a problem connecting it to the existing (Whale) accumulator tank.

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24v Freshwater Pump 11 Sep 2020 12:57 #118440

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Amazing. I want one!

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24v Freshwater Pump 10 Sep 2020 23:29 #118435

I’d love to keep it Balliol for as long possible and if i could get my hands on a manual I’d be happy to maintain it. The soft flutter of the pump is delightful when in full force :)

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24v Freshwater Pump 10 Sep 2020 23:24 #118434

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Sean, looks as if you have the newer model to ours!

Ours looked old when we bought the ship 36 years ago. It is still going strong and I have done nothing to it apart from replacing the pressure switch, and I changed the sump oil once.

I believe that Stork NL can still supply parts, but have never tried them, since I have never needed anything. The piston pump gland seal is now dripping slightly so I suppose I ought to take a look however.

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24v Freshwater Pump 10 Sep 2020 23:03 #118433

A great question John. The attached shows my own pump and i am concerned about the availability of spares when it gives up. Perhaps one for the museum.

I’ll be interested to know what solution you went with
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24v Freshwater Pump 10 Sep 2020 19:42 #118432

Another vote for the Par-Max 4.
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24v Freshwater Pump 10 Sep 2020 19:09 #118430

I second the Par Max 4, plenty of delivery for shower and other draw off at the same time, dish washer and washing machine happy with it. 10 months of the year on board even toilets on fresh water.

I've (easily - ½ hour from start to finish) changed 3 (I think, it might be 2) in 15 years.

The motors don't fail, pressure switch, pack up, new available and reconditioning kit from ASAP.

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24v Freshwater Pump 10 Sep 2020 16:52 #118428

I use a Jabsco Par Max 4, with a 20 litre accumulator, and have a 3 as a spare. Microswitch in pressure switch packed up years ago. Easily replaced from Maplin - but no more. EBay now I guess!!
Got them from Boat Jumbles getting on for 20 years ago at a good price.
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24v Freshwater Pump 10 Sep 2020 15:39 #118427

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Looking for a reasonably priced reliable 24v fresh water pump to use with an accumulator. I had a Whale UF1285 but want to change brands.

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