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Beavers 21 Feb 2020 14:48 #113935

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Bob Marsland wrote: The main thrust of your post is worrying. It is just this kind of 'interference' that caused the proposed Rhone/Rhin major waterway to be abandoned. Much as I delighted at watching a television programme about beavers yesterday, I find the green/nature/ wildlife/et al action groups' influence on proposed major infrastructure lamentable.


Thanks for correcting the link, Bob.

Not sure I agree with you entirely though. On the contrary, for too long various land-grabbing industries and their lobbyists rode roughshod over the interests of man and beast alike, seeing it as their God (Mammon) given right to do so with nary a thought for the consequences on humanity or nature.

That the pendulum has maybe swung too far the other way lies perhaps in the nature of things. And let's face it, we're not just talking waterways here but an all-encompassing feature of all our everyday lives. At the end of the day each country's legislatures and judiciaries will decide their environmental policies and their implementation.

That being said, would not the sensible compromise here be for VNF and like-minded bodies such as ourselves to campaign for the re-settlement of, in this case, beavers to more 'natural' habitats. Some will object "but the poor wee things will suffer dislocation traumata" or some such - well, tough, say I, the toughest of them will survive and flourish. And then so can we, on our beloved canals and other waterways.

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Beavers 21 Feb 2020 14:32 #113934

Beavers build dams....I have seen some very imposing dams...so I don't understand why a beaver would be living in a non flowing canal. BUT then perhaps they are just like Humans ..they seem to adapt to their living environment....

Real Humans need a barge to be alive, but I have seen many who have adapted to a grey life by living in a house and not venturing out past their 10 km tether

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Beavers 21 Feb 2020 11:30 #113930

Rob Dean wrote:


I thought we saw beavers at a couple of places in France - Canal d'Orleans and at Briare. Turned out to be coypus!

Peter[/quote]

Bugger![/quote]

I wonder if the VNF can be persuaded to think the beasties they've spotted are in fact coypus too!

It's worrying to think that canals and rivers may be closed to navigation because of a few beavers taking up residence. I'm sure that when beavers last populated the navigable French waterways they were quickly given their marching orders and told to move to the thousands of miles of streams and other non-navigable waterways.

Or has the VNF introduced them as a cost-cutting exercise - close the canal - a more permanent solution than the "we've run out of water" excuse of the last few years. I say that 100% in jest !!!

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Beavers 21 Feb 2020 10:26 #113928

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Beavers 20 Feb 2020 20:36 #113925

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I thought we saw beavers at a couple of places in France - Canal d'Orleans and at Briare. Turned out to be coypus!

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Bugger!

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Beavers 20 Feb 2020 19:23 #113922

Rob Dean wrote: We had Beavers on the Oise last August. Swam past us one evening and sat on the bank chewing sticks. We were surprised as we weren't more than about 30km from Paris


I thought we saw beavers at a couple of places in France - Canal d'Orleans and at Briare. Turned out to be coypus!

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en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beaver

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Beavers 20 Feb 2020 18:33 #113921

We had Beavers on the Oise last August. Swam past us one evening and sat on the bank chewing sticks. We were surprised as we weren't more than about 30km from Paris

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Beavers 20 Feb 2020 02:15 #113893

Thanks for the link that works, Ian. I will now edit Pete's post inserting your link.

Clearly, I wrote my post quite a while before posting it!

Having now read the article I realise I was mistaken when I said I saw a TV programme about beavers. It was about Otters... but not on the river Otter!!!

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Beavers 20 Feb 2020 02:05 #113892

Your link doesn't seem to work, Pete. I get a message saying: " The page cannot be opened... because the page's address is invalid".

The main thrust of your post is worrying. It is just this kind of 'interference' that caused the proposed Rhone/Rhin major waterway to be abandoned. Much as I delighted at watching a television programme about beavers yesterday, I find the green/nature/ wildlife/et al action groups' influence on proposed major infrastructure lamentable.

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Beavers 19 Feb 2020 22:41 #113890

That link didn't work for me, but this one leads to the same article:
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2020/feb/17/beavers-cut-flooding-and-pollution-and-boost-wildlife-populations

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Beavers 19 Feb 2020 19:26 #113885

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Not sure whether to put this in WCE or GB&I or just Barges - ?

Following the meeting of the DT-NE regional users' meeting in Toul on 13th June 2018 which I attended for the DBA I recorded as follows:

"Canal des Vosges: 6 week stoppage on the entire canal from 15. September to 31.October 2019. VNF will seek to postpone the stoppage by 2 weeks if possible.
The cause for this stoppage, as treated at length in the previous meeting (08.11.2017) is – beavers! These are a protected species and the Office Nationale de la Chasse et de la Faune Sauvage [National Hunts and Wildlife Agency] has imposed severe restrictions on VNF. While normally VNF’s maintenance programme would be carried out in winter this clashes with the beavers’ breeding period and the ONCFS has imposed this change to protect them from changes in water levels and the associated stress and attacks from predators.
Vociferous objections raised by commercial and pleasure boating organisations in terms of the general use of canals for navigation and, in particular, that canals are anyway artificial structures and so not a natural habitat for beavers as such, appear to have fallen on deaf ears. VNF expressed the concern that this problem could become more widespread as beavers extend their habitats."

So I was interested to see the following Grauniad article this week:

www.theguardian.com/environment/2020/feb/17/beavers-cut-flooding-and-pollution-and-boost-wildlife-populations

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