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TOPIC: Lock closures on the Canal des Ardennes

Lock closures on the Canal des Ardennes 24 Feb 2020 04:22 #113969

Ian Swift wrote: Hi Bob,
Many thanks for your prompt response.
Can I also ask what the trip would be like going from Paris to Belgium along the Oise and the Aisne? Would this route just be a headache with a lot of commercial traffic?


I've never found commercial traffic a problem. On the contrary, it's a delight to travel with them usually. Your suggested route here would get you to Berry au Bac a different and equally interesting way. I have done both many times but consider the river Marne my favourite river. And it has other advantages...hic!

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Lock closures on the Canal des Ardennes 24 Feb 2020 04:09 #113968

Hi Bob,
Many thanks for your prompt response.
Can I also ask what the trip would be like going from Paris to Belgium along the Oise and the Aisne? Would this route just be a headache with a lot of commercial traffic?

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Lock closures on the Canal des Ardennes 24 Feb 2020 03:58 #113967

Ian Swift wrote: I've just gone over the previous listings and my thanks go out to Bob and Pete for their detailed information.
I'm planning a trip from Paris to Belgium via Namur starting in mid April 2020. I note that FR/2019/03317 is still current for the broken lock and I have also read the Carte des chomages 2020 2ndEd that indicates that the Canal des Ardennes section, which includes the collapsed lock #21 21 de Neuville-Day, is listed to be repaired by 13th April 2020. However, I trust I have been reading those documents correctly and I was wondering if anyone knows, from previous experience, if the 'finish dates' published in the Carte des chomages can be relied upon?
If not, can anybody advise a nice alternative route from Paris to Namur that will keep my hairs intact along the way?


Hello Ian et al,

You are quite right that the Avis à la batellerie FR/2019/03317 is still current and it says at the end that an update, including the date of opening, will be issued by a further Avis. The best information we have at this time is, as I have previously posted, VNF are working toward having the work on Neuville-Day lock finished In time for the 2020 Plaisance season. Further, I have been told a date of mid May may be expected.

The Chômages list you have mentioned is for planned work on virtually the whole itinerary and is nothing to do with the damaged lock.

Nearer the time we may get a better idea of completion of the works on Neuville-Day so you might decide to take a leisurely cruise up the Marne (highly recommended) and by the time you get to Condé Sur Marne at that time decide whether you go north up the Aisle à la Marne to Berry au Bac then onto the Canal des Ardennes if you have learnt the way is clear.

If not, or if you are time restricted carry on from Condé along the Latéral à la Marne the the Marne au Rhin then turn north along the Canal de l'Est Branche Nord... now called the Canal de la Meuse which turns into the River Meuse and takes you to Namur and beyond in Belgium.

Good luck and best wishes,

Bob

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Lock closures on the Canal des Ardennes 24 Feb 2020 02:27 #113965

I've just gone over the previous listings and my thanks go out to Bob and Pete for their detailed information.
I'm planning a trip from Paris to Belgium via Namur starting in mid April 2020. I note that FR/2019/03317 is still current for the broken lock and I have also read the Carte des chomages 2020 2ndEd that indicates that the Canal des Ardennes section, which includes the collapsed lock #21 21 de Neuville-Day, is listed to be repaired by 13th April 2020. However, I trust I have been reading those documents correctly and I was wondering if anyone knows, from previous experience, if the 'finish dates' published in the Carte des chomages can be relied upon?
If not, can anybody advise a nice alternative route from Paris to Namur that will keep my hairs intact along the way?

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Lock closures on the Canal des Ardennes 16 Dec 2019 13:29 #112151

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Many thanks Bob and Pete.

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Lock closures on the Canal des Ardennes 14 Dec 2019 17:31 #112059

Thank you Pete for posting in your usual detailed and efficient way.

So, Andrew, according to when you wish to travel you may, just may, be able to travel down the 26 lock chain which includes Neuville-Day, Number 21. I think it would be prudent to have a plan B as works do tend to take longer than expected and they haven't yet published a start date.

If I may say so, I would not take to heart all you may read in the newspapers. I prefer to go by what the people responsible for maintaining the canal and I copy here what I was told in October last year:

I have just telephoned Francis Martin, Responsable du UTI (Unité Territoriale d'Itinéraire) Meuse-Ardennes who tells me they are hoping to open the canal to navigation mid May 2020.

When I queried the length of time he told me (in far too fast French to catch all) that there is already planning to demolish the damaged lock structure costing some €300,000 and funds are available for the re-build. BUT, there needs to be study after study by all and sundry before work can start and taking three months. The actual work of re-building is due to take a month and a half. SO, when I said that represents some six months at maximum and asked why the rest of the time to May 2020 he said we are near the end of 2018, weather during the winter is an element etc. etc.

If they make the hoped for mid May 2020 that should make plans for that year to proceed...but with caution. Keep an eye on the avis à la batellerie. The current one is: N° FR/2018/08146.


The avis à la batellerie quoted above and in Pete's post all say materially the same, that the whole chain is closed until the works on l'écluse 21 is complete and that a further avis will be published when that time is clearly envisaged.

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Lock closures on the Canal des Ardennes 14 Dec 2019 12:26 #112057

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Lock closures on the Canal des Ardennes 14 Dec 2019 11:33 #112055

Hi again Andrew

I've put together a few VNF documents / links for you, that I hope will help. In brief, Lock 21 (Neuville-Day) will not open before mid-April 2020; I have no other 'definite' information. Maybe others can help?

The last of the attachments (Avis FR/2018/08146) is the one mentioned by Bob Marsland in his post
barges.org/discussion-forum/stoppages-hazards-and-levels/24224-canal-des-ardennes#101641

This has subsequently been updated by Avis No. FR/2019/03317 (attached).

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Lock closures on the Canal des Ardennes 13 Dec 2019 23:34 #112029

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Hi Pete,

Thanks for this, but I couldn't see any mention of the Canal des Ardennes in the "Stoppages" attachment to your post. Was it not discussed, or am I missing something?!

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Lock closures on the Canal des Ardennes 13 Dec 2019 19:18 #112024

Hello Andrew

Firstly my sincere appologies for not replying sooner, I've only just seen your mail/post.

To answer your question briefky, no, no further news other than in my CLU NE meeting summary posted a few days ago (Attachment / Stoppages).

I'll see if I can do some more digging over the weekend.

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Lock closures on the Canal des Ardennes 11 Dec 2019 14:58 #111986

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Pete,

Did anything positive come out of the CLU NE meeting on 25 November?

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Lock closures on the Canal des Ardennes 19 Oct 2019 11:05 #110617

There is not much hope the lock will be repaired before the end of 2020.

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Lock closures on the Canal des Ardennes 18 Oct 2019 22:13 #110608

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Pete & Tam,
Many thanks for your very prompt and helpful responses. Hopefully look forward to an update following the 25th November meeting.
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Lock closures on the Canal des Ardennes 18 Oct 2019 18:44 #110606

Sorry Tam / Andrew, Tam's quite right, that was why I suggested you search "Canal des Ardennes" for more info, knowing there was more to be had, but I should have been more precise.

I am scheduled to attend the next CLU NE on 25th November (postponed from 2nd October) and hope to be able to give an update then.

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Lock closures on the Canal des Ardennes 18 Oct 2019 18:20 #110605

Unless I've missed something to the contrary the Ardennes has (had?) a long term closure to rebuild a lock that was washed out in floods, and was not expected to be open till May 2020 - again should be OK by summer, but these things do sometimes drag on beyond the scheduled period.
barges.org/discussion-forum/stoppages-hazards-and-levels/24224-canal-des-ardennes

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Lock closures on the Canal des Ardennes 18 Oct 2019 17:30 #110603

Hi Andrew and welcome!

VNF's current plannimg specifies the planned annual maintenance closure for 2020:
• Upper Meuse and Canal des Ardennes: 2. March – 13. April
so that shouldn't affect your planned trip next summer.
(See report of Local Users' Commission Meeting:
barges.org/discussion-forum/waterways-continental-europe/24727-vnf-user-group-meeting-dt-nord-est-clu-ne-15-may-2019#109362
or for more background information, search the WCE section of the forum for "Canal des Ardennes" / "Ardennes Canal").

However, yours is a very good question, to which, regrettably, the best answer is "Watch this space". Like many of the smaller French canals the Canal des Ardennes or Ardennes Canal, is prone to closure from drought and/or insufficient maintenance. It's impossible to say at this stage what the situation might be next summer; depends on the weather!

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Lock closures on the Canal des Ardennes 18 Oct 2019 15:46 #110593

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First of all, I am a new member (as of today) so apologies if I am raising a query which has been discussed previously. I am planning to take my boat from The Netherlands into France next summer via the Meuse, Canal des Ardennes, and the Marne. However, I was talking to a boatyard at Pont-a-Bar this morning, and they advised me that for the past two years, the Canal des Ardennes has been impassable after mid-July due to lack of water at the summit of the main locks. Can anyone verify this, and if so, advise whether or not there has been any problem accessing this waterway earlier in the year (e.g. May or June)?
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