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TOPIC: Moving a 25m x 5m Tjalk from Maastricht to UK

Moving a 25m x 5m Tjalk from Maastricht to UK 24 Feb 2020 14:13 #113979

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Hi Pauline,
Personally I would think carefully about moving a barge to London at the moment. There seem to be plenty of lovely barges on moorings that are not selling. People are finding it very hard to borrow substantial amounts of money.
Please also be aware of some of the estate agents specialising in river side property and houseboats. I think you can guess who I'm talking about! They will claim that they are able to sell your boat for a small fortune but the reality is that there are plenty of barges for sale and nobody is buying.
The only boats that still seem to sell fairly quickly are widebeams small enough to fit on the uk canals and are priced at under 100K.
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Moving a 25m x 5m Tjalk from Maastricht to UK 20 Feb 2020 17:24 #113917

Charles Mclaren wrote: Pauline
I live on a barge in central London...residential moorings are available...but are like hen’s teeth...and with price tags of £350+k. Even if you could find one to rent you almost certainly won’t be able to sell the barge on it. Sorry. Charlie


I also live on a residential mooring in London and my barge is currently for sale on it, so it is absolutely possible and quite normal and there are plenty of them around - finding a vacant one is the challenge.

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Moving a 25m x 5m Tjalk from Maastricht to UK 20 Feb 2020 17:14 #113916

It would be a good idea to measure and confirm the beam yourself. Some sellers are prone to make "mistakes" . Over 5.5 m would limit cruising areas in France.

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Moving a 25m x 5m Tjalk from Maastricht to UK 20 Feb 2020 16:34 #113915

And beam of 5.05 - not draft!

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Moving a 25m x 5m Tjalk from Maastricht to UK 20 Feb 2020 15:58 #113914

> for even the shiniest of fenders.

I'm sure I meant skinny fenders not shiny ones! Sorry

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Moving a 25m x 5m Tjalk from Maastricht to UK 20 Feb 2020 15:51 #113913

Your barge looks rather too good to condemn to a future life as just a houseboat. Houseboats don't need to have even a decent engine or the many other features needed for cruising on the waterways. It would appear to be great for a liveaboard / cruising owner, although there's one dimension that may be putting off potential buyers. You've clarified the airdraft as 3.4 m making it possible to pass under nearly all French bridges, but the stated draft of 5.05m is the absolute limit for most locks and leaves no room for even the shiniest of fenders. Is there a chance this may have been mis-measured? Not sure what others would think, but if the beam was even a fraction under 5.00 m, it looks as if it should sell in a flash!

It's not advertised in the BDA Classified section, I think. You may find a private buyer here!

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Moving a 25m x 5m Tjalk from Maastricht to UK 20 Feb 2020 15:26 #113912

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I live on a barge in central London...residential moorings are available...but are like hen’s teeth...and with price tags of £350+k. Even if you could find one to rent you almost certainly won’t be able to sell the barge on it. Sorry. Charlie

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Moving a 25m x 5m Tjalk from Maastricht to UK 20 Feb 2020 15:19 #113911

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Thanks for replying Balliol. My apologies regarding the airdraft, it is 3.4m.
I take you point that it is suitable for the EU market however, whilst there has been some interest, it has not sold.
I have been very much left "holding the baby" with this and I am looking for the best way to sell her!
Given her spacious outside deck area, I am thinking that she would be more suited to the city/London market hence my questions about moving her. So whilst I am hoping that I will find a buyer more easily in London, it is more about the sale than capitalising on the London premium.
Pauline

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Moving a 25m x 5m Tjalk from Maastricht to UK 20 Feb 2020 14:54 #113910

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You mention in your post an air draft of 4 metres but your website suggests 3.4. Which is it? At 3.4 the vessel is good for cruising generally so should sell just as well in the EU as London as a boat alone. If 4 metres then the market as a cruising boat is much more limited.

Either way she is too high for road transport. I guess shipping might be very expensive. There are specialist companies but I am not aware of a regular service Rotterdam-London.

If you are seeking a mooring purely to sell the boat and capitalise on the London premium then that might be difficult: some mooring operators are wise to this and will want their cut!

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Moving a 25m x 5m Tjalk from Maastricht to UK 20 Feb 2020 14:42 #113909

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Thanks Peter. I am sure you are right that there will be a "Towpath Telegraph" about these things! I will continue to put feelers out! Pauline

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Moving a 25m x 5m Tjalk from Maastricht to UK 20 Feb 2020 12:26 #113903

> ...... the london barge market would usually expect it to be on its mooring to view.

These is a London market, albeit quite small, for replacement barges. People who have tatty or unsafe houseboats look for newer boats or just nicer ones to live on than their existing homes. They have the hugely valuable mooring and can usually change boat within conditions of their lease.

How you find such owners I don't know but there are a few agents in London that buy and sell houseboats. Whether there's a "houseboat grapevine" I don't know but it's a tightknit community so quite possibly there are publications, Facebook groups, etc

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Moving a 25m x 5m Tjalk from Maastricht to UK 20 Feb 2020 10:34 #113901

Peter Smith wrote: If you find a suitable mooring in London can you promote the vessel as having a London berth however currently cruising in Maastricht. I am trying to minimise your exposure to the high mooring fees.


I am sure you could however the challenge will be for a buyer to do viewings etc as the london barge market would usually expect it to be on its mooring to view.

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Moving a 25m x 5m Tjalk from Maastricht to UK 20 Feb 2020 10:24 #113900

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Thank you for your reply Peter.
Yes, the cost of moorings in London is very much an issue! I will continue to see what the possibilities are!
Pauline

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Moving a 25m x 5m Tjalk from Maastricht to UK 20 Feb 2020 09:56 #113898

If you find a suitable mooring in London can you promote the vessel as having a London berth however currently cruising in Maastricht. I am trying to minimise your exposure to the high mooring fees.

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Moving a 25m x 5m Tjalk from Maastricht to UK 19 Feb 2020 17:24 #113884

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Thank you for those two leads Sam, much appreciated! I will give them a call.
Pauline

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Moving a 25m x 5m Tjalk from Maastricht to UK 19 Feb 2020 15:21 #113882

Pauline,
It might be worth your while calling BWML at Poplar Marina, as they may have a suitable berth for her that you could put her on and sell her on. It wont be a cheap monthly mooring fee although will be zero rated for VAT, however it will increase the asking price you could request as good barges suitable for London living fetch a nice premium once over her.

Alternatively give Nick at Riverhomes a call - 07833 773599 as he may have access to some moorings on which the barge could be placed and possibly sold on. They would of course expect the business from you and they charge in the region of £10k for the privelege - however on a London mooring you will add multiples of that to the price you can ask for.

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Moving a 25m x 5m Tjalk from Maastricht to UK 19 Feb 2020 10:10 #113876

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Thanks Sam. Yes, a mooring is definitely a requirement! Yes, she does already have the TRIWV or whatever it is called now!
I'm glad you liked her - she really does have excellent outdoor space!

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Moving a 25m x 5m Tjalk from Maastricht to UK 18 Feb 2020 17:48 #113869

ps beautful boat, she was top of my list when I was searching, however I wasnt in a position to do anything about it very seriously. Lovely outdoor spaces for sure.

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Moving a 25m x 5m Tjalk from Maastricht to UK 18 Feb 2020 17:47 #113868

Pauline, if she can move to Rotterdam under her own steam she can subject to various checks etc cruise to London as there isnt much more to it. Shes got a TRIWW / EC I assume due to her size?

The bigger issue is who is going to buy a 25m barge in London without a mooring to put it on?

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Moving a 25m x 5m Tjalk from Maastricht to UK 18 Feb 2020 16:56 #113867

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I would be really grateful for your expert input into this.

I currently have a 25m x 5m Tjalk with a 4m airdraft which is for sale and is currently berthed in Maastricht. Given the excellent deck area, her size and suitability as a live aboard she would be very suited to being on the Thames or in that area.

My questions are as follows:-
1) Do you think it is a good idea to get her to the UK? And - thinking potential Brexit issues if it is left after Jan 2021 - that I get this done this year?
2) Given the regulations of bringing her by water, I am thinking that I would prefer to transport her by road/ferry . Would you agree that this is possible and is a better solution than by sea?
3) If she was cruised to Rotterdam, is it possible to transport her via a container ship from Rotterdam and if so, how would I go about finding out about this?
4) I would need a temporary mooring until she was sold. Do any of you have any knowledge of suitable moorings or the best way to find one?

This is the barge website dutchbargeforsale.co

Thank you in anticipation of your helpful responses.

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