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TOPIC: Patriot 4G usb antenna with Asus router

Patriot 4G usb antenna with Asus router 16 Feb 2020 14:12 #113832

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Sure. By April we'll have lived with this setup for a while so can confirm if it works decently. :)

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Patriot 4G usb antenna with Asus router 15 Feb 2020 12:49 #113814

Tom, that's good news, well done. As you say, you don't need the antenna on the Alfa U4G as it's WIFI feature is taken over by the superior ASUS router. If I may, I'll document this in April Blue Flag after talking to you off-line.

Tom Corbett wrote: UPDATE

For those interested. I've connected the "Alfa U4G-Tube (the USB 4G antenna) successfully to the Asus router; via the 'Alfa R36AH'. I screwed the antenna off the 'Alfa R36AH' as I don't need that.

This is a more "permanent" solution, slightly more convenient if you live aboard your ship all year round. Though I suppose permanent is a relative term here, considering 1) the technology we're talking about and 2) is anything ever permanent on a ship? :silly:

You can setup the Asus two different ways. I've set it up that the Wifi antenna is the primary WAN for it's internet connection and the 4G antenna is the secondary WAN, only used when there's no (decent) public wifi available. Some screenshots attached to go with my amateurish lingo.

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Patriot 4G usb antenna with Asus router 14 Feb 2020 18:08 #113811

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UPDATE

For those interested. I've connected the "Alfa U4G-Tube (the USB 4G antenna) successfully to the Asus router; via the 'Alfa R36AH'. I screwed the antenna off the 'Alfa R36AH' as I don't need that.

This is a more "permanent" solution, slightly more convenient if you live aboard your ship all year round. Though I suppose permanent is a relative term here, considering 1) the technology we're talking about and 2) is anything ever permanent on a ship? :silly:

You can setup the Asus two different ways. I've set it up that the Wifi antenna is the primary WAN for it's internet connection and the 4G antenna is the secondary WAN, only used when there's no (decent) public wifi available. Some screenshots attached to go with my amateurish lingo.
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Patriot 4G usb antenna with Asus router 09 Feb 2020 12:47 #113699

I am finding this thread difficult to follow due to my lack of computer connectivity knowledge.

For those who want an off the shelf system from experts in the field try Adam and Sophie at www.motorhomewifi.com

They supplied our system 6 years ago - works a treat - BE, FR,NL,UK

(Yes - I have put them in the suppliers database - now!)
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Patriot 4G usb antenna with Asus router 09 Feb 2020 01:54 #113693

Hi Tom
As I wrote the dongles mostly have points for an external antenna, They need adapters to connect your Solwise supplied aerial however.
I use this solution myself as the external aerials for my 4G have N connectors.
I only bother to connect the external aerial in marginal reception areas, the dongle on the top of the console by a window is usually enough, in France anyway).
ASUS ok but expensive for what you get, would suggest low power consumption MikroTiks for those starting out or replacing (much cheaper, made in Latvia better support, smaller form factor and internal wifi aerials). Usually just plug everything in turn on and it sorts out the USB 4G, ethernet, wifi. You do need to secure them once up and running but howto pretty straight forward. As a bonus the low power ones use 12 or 24 V supply (9 to 30V DC input) and can do one POE for an external aerial amplifier or other remote powered appliance. For techies they also act as end points for secure tunnels, but some patience is required to get those working. They support restarting/cycling the USB (which ASUS does not, whole modem has to reboot) should the USB modem or 4G network go down (never happens right?). They also support scripting to watch for 4G outages without your intervention and those scripts are available from the forums.
IMHO wifi in marinas is nigh on useless bandwidth so have abandoned it.


Cheers
Chris

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Patriot 4G usb antenna with Asus router 08 Feb 2020 17:22 #113687

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Pete Milne wrote: if Tom is in a weak 4G spot and needs the best possible connection, an outside aerial/modem is necessary. A dongle in a plastic bag with a long USB lead might do it!
Pete


exactly, I’m looking into this for when we go to exploring France where, as far as I understand, some areas in the canals can have significantly weaker GSM coverage. Hoping an outdoor, large antenna will help to avoid complete disconnect.

Not that I mind disconnecting completely from time to time but work will need to continue from time to time😕, as we explore the Marne after the Pontoise rally.

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Patriot 4G usb antenna with Asus router 08 Feb 2020 12:53 #113680

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Ah,... I did read the original article but never the follow up!

I might give the workaround with the Solution with the “Solwise WL-USBWIFIRPT-3000A - Solwise USB WiFi Router/Repeater”. You can turn one of the LAN ports into a WAN port on the Asus router... so that’s whatI would do with that..(the normal WAN port is used by the outdoor WiFi antenna .

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Patriot 4G usb antenna with Asus router 08 Feb 2020 12:02 #113678

Hi Tom

I did a n article in Blue Flag some time ago showing the Asus router and suggesting use of the Patriot 3/4G modem for mobile data. However, it transpired that it was a windows river required and the Asus did not support it. I put an apology in the following Blue Flag to warn of anyone following this setup.

There is a fix by using the Solwise WL-USBWIFIRPT-3000A - Solwise USB WiFi Router/Repeateras a bridge between the Patriot USB and any router with an Ethernet input, see
getyourlegsdown.blogspot.com/2018/02/product-review-solwise-patriot-4g.html
This should work with the Asus but is not very elegant and as Chris Rowling suggests, the better solution would be to get a compatible USB 3/4G stick or modem.

On Esme, I used an old B315 HUAWEI (Don't mention the H word) modem
www.ebay.co.uk/itm/HUAWEI-B315-B315s-22-800-1800-2600MHz-4G-2G-3G-LTE-150Mbps-SMA-ANTENNA-UNLOCKED/143507595651?hash=item2169b82183:g:~iEAAOSwndFeJkpR

with a 4G MIMO external Antenna

www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Omni-Directional-4G-LTE-MIMO-3G-External-Antenna-Huawei-B315-B310-B311-B525-B535-/231284385944

to feed into the Asus WAN port. This works very well although you don't really need the Asus router as well, being that the B315 is already a wifi router with 4 Ethernet ports, not as good as the Asus but works well.

Testing in Bruges, I found that using the external antenna typically doubled the download speed and was well worth the £60 extra.
See my forum post and more on 3/4G ideas
barges.org/discussion-forum/barges/14248-4g-sim-card-router#73754

As tends to be the case, tech changes so rapidly it's really difficult to keep up with the best and most affordable solution. Some are happy with a tethered phone while others, especially full timers like you want a more permanent and fast solution. Good luck.

PS if anyone has a good setup they would like to share in Blue Flag for others to benefit from, please contact me This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.

Tom Corbett wrote: This one for the techies....

My setup on board is a ASU’s router (RT-AC68u) tat provides a local WiFi network on board as well as wired connections. Outside I have a TP-link Access point with which I can up an available WiFi network if there is one, that sends the internet connection to the Asus router inside via a network cable.

Now, I recently bought the “Patriot 4G modem antenna” so we could have a 4G internet connection in case now WiFi networks are available. The Asus router is supposed to work with the 4G modem.

Now my issue is: the 4G modem when plugged into Windows PC directly, a little app launched and you get a window asking for the pin, then you click “connect” and it connects to the 4G network. BUT... when I plug the 4G modem into the Asus router it doesn’t work.

I can put in all the necessary settings from the provider into the Asus setup screen but that doesn’t help.

It seems the Patriot 4G modem antenna only works with built-in Windows driver and utility/auto-installation app. Hoe can you circumvent that utility and work through the Asus router?

Help?

Tom

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Patriot 4G usb antenna with Asus router 08 Feb 2020 11:58 #113677

I've used the Patriot WiFi version with ethernet connection sucessfully with an ASUS router but I agree with Chris' comments about the 4G version which looks like Windows only (but I'd ask ASUS before giving up).

For GSM I'm currently using an old 3G Huawei (E131?) from my spares drawer and thinking iof upgrading to a 4G E3372 (£35). These are of course indoor gizmos, not outdoor like the Patriot, so have poorer connectivity. I'm not sure that matters as much with 4G as for harbour WiFi for most people. However, if Tom is in a weak 4G spot and needs the best possible connection, an outside aerial/modem is necessary. A dongle in a plastic bag with a long USB lead might do it!

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Patriot 4G usb antenna with Asus router 08 Feb 2020 11:41 #113676

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A dongle would sit inside the barge. I want a 4G antenna outside on the barge for better connection.

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Patriot 4G usb antenna with Asus router 08 Feb 2020 10:07 #113671

Hi Tom

I assume this is a USB modem, if you are unlucky it is a winmodem. I do not see anything other than windows listed in the specs at Solwise (bad sign) for the base model.

If you are lucky, it may be that the modem is not authorising due to the pin. unset the need for it in the settings when plugged in to windows and it may then work on the ASUS USB port.

If not, when plugged into the ASUS do you get the lights indicating connection to your provider? If not then it is a winmodem.

I cannot find the Patriot 4G (Solwise?) listed in the ASUS compatibility list (woefully out of date) www.asus.com/event/networks_3G4G_support/

Frankly 76 quid for a winmodem (where your computer does all the work) is pretty poor IMHO. Suggest cheap and cheerful Huawei (!) or some such USB dongle, often less than 15 pounds with a chip in Oz (they hope to get you on the top ups). It is likely the outside aerials (there should be two for 4G) will connect to your dongle too with appropriate intervening connectors (the Patriot has N connectors, too large for dongles). If you only have one aerial does it have two cables to the modem? 4G uses signals at 45 and 135 to horizontal IIRC which is why most 4G aerials are square/round. Single aerials with two outputs generally fudge it (duplexing, ok if you do not expect maximum speeds) . Check the modem supports the 4G bands you will be using before buying and check for issues by a simple search online.

The dongles are nearly all locked to the providers in Oz now (and likely the same in UK) so if not tech savvy choose your plan and buy from that phone provider, check online before you buy regarding the dongle and ASUS modem (remembering ASUS make a sister model with 4G slots). If happy to get your hands dirty use online retailer for unlocked dongle, and if need be tails to connect to aerials

Hope I have not overwhelmed you with info!


Good luck
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Patriot 4G usb antenna with Asus router 08 Feb 2020 09:03 #113668

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This one for the techies....

My setup on board is a ASU’s router (RT-AC68u) tat provides a local WiFi network on board as well as wired connections. Outside I have a TP-link Access point with which I can up an available WiFi network if there is one, that sends the internet connection to the Asus router inside via a network cable.

Now, I recently bought the “Patriot 4G modem antenna” so we could have a 4G internet connection in case now WiFi networks are available. The Asus router is supposed to work with the 4G modem.

Now my issue is: the 4G modem when plugged into Windows PC directly, a little app launched and you get a window asking for the pin, then you click “connect” and it connects to the 4G network. BUT... when I plug the 4G modem into the Asus router it doesn’t work.

I can put in all the necessary settings from the provider into the Asus setup screen but that doesn’t help.

It seems the Patriot 4G modem antenna only works with built-in Windows driver and utility/auto-installation app. Hoe can you circumvent that utility and work through the Asus router?

Help?

Tom
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