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TOPIC: Salon Fluvial St Jean de Losne April 2020

Salon Fluvial St Jean de Losne April 2020 13 Mar 2020 13:45 #114413

I agree with Paul, the biggest influence on the Salon Fluvial will be a Federal policy via Macron. The local community will want it to go ahead for economic reasons. My personal view is that, given there is no individual immunity to COVID-19, there is a distinct risk that most of us will get it at some stage. The issue for me is the level of exposure because that could influence the severity of the disease. If the rate of infection in the local area is high, I would certainly draw the line at inviting strangers on-board but would not be too bothered about the risk of extreme exposure outside, particularly with good hygiene and social distancing.
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Salon Fluvial St Jean de Losne April 2020 13 Mar 2020 13:32 #114411

Plan B is formulating as I write but eventually I will be making the journey and in the meantime I am trying to minimise the crossing of national borders within that plan.

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Salon Fluvial St Jean de Losne April 2020 13 Mar 2020 11:44 #114402

Paul Hayes wrote: Personally, I will not be traveling the two km into town to attend the event, and be around a lot of strangers, who might just be contagious with a virus that is killing people hi the hundreds, if not thousands. So find the idea of of cruising four days from Decide to do so stark raving mad.

61 deaths in France, just to keep things in proportion, but I agree with Paul's thinking.

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Salon Fluvial St Jean de Losne April 2020 13 Mar 2020 10:19 #114400

Thank you Paul,
Personally I fear the fear more than the virus itself being relatively healthy & having had the pneumonia vaccination.
I have work booked on Dea at La Copine & possibly at SJDL, and my summer mooring is at SJDL so the journey is not purely for the Salon which I do expect to be cancelled 😷

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Salon Fluvial St Jean de Losne April 2020 13 Mar 2020 09:36 #114398

The Salon Fluvial started with one business holding a "Porte's overt" weekend (open doors) for potential clients.

It has now grown to be what it is, still very small with comparison to Crick.

There is now an organising committee, made up of interested parties, including businesses, and the Marie.

Piper boats do have a gathering at the same time, having a partime presence in SJdL (at the moment). But am not sure if they are part of the organising committee, if not, they will take an unilateral decision to go ahead with their gathering.

I will be talking to both Simon Piper and directors of other businesses in the next few days.

I will know if any change of plans happens very soon after the decision is made, and will post any news on this forum.

The Coronavirus situation is changing daily, President Macron in his speech last evening said that further controls may be introduced as required. So the decision to continue may be taken out of local hands.

Personally, I will not be traveling the two km into town to attend the event, and be around a lot of strangers, who might just be contagious with a virus that is killing people hi the hundreds, if not thousands. So find the idea of of cruising four days from Decide to do so stark raving mad.

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Salon Fluvial St Jean de Losne April 2020 12 Mar 2020 22:36 #114394

I think H2O is the main driver of this event. I would keep your eye on this website: le-salon-fluvial.fr/en/home-en/
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Salon Fluvial St Jean de Losne April 2020 12 Mar 2020 19:24 #114389

My Plans to cruise from Decize to SJDL for the Salon in late April are obviously under scrutiny but if I do set off it would be disappointing for it to be cancelled while I am enroute, and while plan B might be to go to Pontoise it might suffer the same fate.
So my question is:
Who is the prime organiser of the SJDL Salon - is it Pipers or the Mairie, or somebody else who might make the decision to cancel, assuming the national government does not step in first.

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Salon Fluvial St Jean de Losne April 2020 17 Feb 2020 16:55 #113844

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Thanks Chares, I'll be sure to look you up if we do decide to go to St JdL

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Salon Fluvial St Jean de Losne April 2020 15 Feb 2020 18:23 #113821

There will be at least 22 Piper’s there this April, plenty of opportunity to view boats and chat with owners, so would be worthwhile.
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Salon Fluvial St Jean de Losne April 2020 14 Feb 2020 18:54 #113812

Chris Grant wrote: Brian, good luck with your barge search and good to hear that you have an open mind, there is currently a good selection of nice barges old and newer for sale. When you get to the continent if you haven't already you'll see that size is not a restriction either.

Don't forget that there are two DBA rallies coming up in May, UK in Chatham on the river Medway and Continental in France at Pontoise. Full details in February Blue Flag out soon. Rallies provide an excellent opportunity for aspiring bargees to meet others, talk barging and have a good look over all types of barges.


I second Chris’ reply. Try and join in on the two rally’s. They provide the best opportunity to talk to all kind of barge owners. There is usually even a Forum organised Sunday morning where any barge questions can be asked to the whole group at the rally. If you’re going to France anyway in Paris, the Pontoise rally should be easy to get to.

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Salon Fluvial St Jean de Losne April 2020 02 Feb 2020 22:49 #113476

I visited SJDL in April 2018, looked at a number of Piper barges, had one built and displayed my 60M at SJDL last April. I will be there again this year and understand that there will be at least 12 Pipers of various sizes. My boat is Phantom and you are welcome to come aboard.
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Salon Fluvial St Jean de Losne April 2020 02 Feb 2020 18:41 #113468

Pete Clark wrote: Hello Brian

If I were buying a new barge I'd be very tempted by a Piper boat. Having met Simon Piper many years ago when planning a narrowboat build, when he had one of his first barges on the stocks, I was very impressed with him and his work, and having seen a few on the water here in France and spoken to some owners in the meantime, I remain impressed.

I don't want to knock H2o but they tend to concentrate more on cruisers than barges, though they normally have 2 or 3 barges up for sale at any one time. So other than Piper boats having set up next door a couple of years ago, I wouldn't expect to see many other barges or barge builders at the Salon Fluvial. However, I left SJdL in 2017 so someone like Paul, who lives there, could probably give you more up-to-date advice.

Pete Clark
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Hi Pete, can I just clarify for those who do not know.

1) H2O are only brokers, they do not have own the boats on their brokerage " for sale" list. The condition and price being asked is the responsibility of the present owners, who may or not maintain the boats to the condition that a potential purchaser may expect, although I do know from personal experience that they do encourage owners to maintain a standard, but cannot enforce it. Also, I know that they have refused to represent boats of low standards.

2) At the moment they are listing 74 barges on brokerage, although not all are lying in SJdL. But there are certainly more than a few, in the old lock itself there are at least eight including one Piper.

Paul Hayes
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Salon Fluvial St Jean de Losne April 2020 02 Feb 2020 18:29 #113467

Hi Brian
I have it from the horses mouth that there are 22 Piper barges planning to be at the Salon Fluvial, so plenty to look at.
Plus plenty of other vessels for sale.

Paul Hayes
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Salon Fluvial St Jean de Losne April 2020 30 Jan 2020 17:20 #113356

A minor point but this is incorrect:
"As with all boats, there is no "standard" model, even if the hull shape is the same, each fit out will have different layouts and equipment"
Each Piper Barge starts as a basic standard design depending on its hull length, beam & Wheelhouse.
E.g. 49M or 49L etc.
They only become non-standard when the buyer specifies changes to the Standard for that design.
So there are Standard Models, it is just that most buyers then alter them to fit their own spec.

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Salon Fluvial St Jean de Losne April 2020 28 Jan 2020 16:39 #113277

Olivier,
On MERLOT I too am guilty of using the bow thruster as a steering substitute when reversing. It makes reversing so much easier / simpler; and one does not need to concentrate as much.
When I am not being lazy, I find that the less engine revs while reversing, the better when one is only using rudder. I only use short bursts of power with significant rudder to move the stern in or out when needed, but do not use short bursts much when actually reversing.
Like you, I have found that my Sagar does not appear to do any significant prop walk.
Paul.
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Salon Fluvial St Jean de Losne April 2020 28 Jan 2020 15:11 #113274

The OP will find better threads concerning handling of different vessels, but as it has cropped up here I'd add that I've worked quite a few barges and similar craft, all with single screw/rudder, and not had great difficulty reversing any of them. Longer/thinner/heavier boats are easier, especially with largish slow-revving engines/propellors.

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Salon Fluvial St Jean de Losne April 2020 28 Jan 2020 14:23 #113272

Peter Cawson wrote: ...previous boating was in Flying Dutchman sailing dinghy where reverse is not even on offer.


Nowt to do with the topic, I know (sorry, Moderator) but similar for me: 505. No reverse, it's true, but not infrequently a over t in a strong breeze! Those were the days, eh, Peter?

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Salon Fluvial St Jean de Losne April 2020 28 Jan 2020 14:13 #113271

Alan Kerr - I assume you are referring to Harold Flescher's comments on Pipers company history.

I am not going to comment on something I actually don't know about and what is valid or correct. Whatever happened was during the period were managed by Ownerships which dealt with Pipers and we were not directly engaged with any process.

What I was always sure of was that Piper grew and flourished after that time for which I'm sure all owners were more than grateful. Simon helped us for several years after we started cruising, both in the UK and in France. To see them prosper and be here today is testament to their durability and success.

Mike
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Salon Fluvial St Jean de Losne April 2020 28 Jan 2020 14:05 #113269

Tam Murrell wrote: I recall that in the barge handling contest at the first DBA gathering in La Villette neither Pipers or Sagars could reverse without fairly constant use of a bow thruster.

Tam


My experience with reversing is that single rudder vessels have minds of their own, but twin rudder ones do what you intend them to do. My first boat (20 m) had twin rudders and was very well behaved in reverse despite my total lack of experience - previous boating was in Flying Dutchman sailing dinghy where reverse is not even on offer. It had a fish-shaped flat bottom plate 2m wide and chine above. Present boat goes where it wants so forward squirts of power is needed to straighten up - or resort to thruster.

If building from scratch I'd recommend the installation of twin rudders - as virtually all single-engine commercials.

Peter

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Salon Fluvial St Jean de Losne April 2020 28 Jan 2020 14:03 #113268

My 20 year old Piper goes backwards quite well (albeit I never have any idea whether it will be in a straight line until I start then make quick adjustments!)

As I have no thrusters of any kind, I don't have any other option if I absolutely have to go in reverse....!!!

Mike Gibbons
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Salon Fluvial St Jean de Losne April 2020 28 Jan 2020 13:09 #113260

Brian,

We plan to be in St JdL in April with PROPER JOB (57N) and would be happy to show you around..
We know of a 55N that is/was for sale in Briare last October and can put you in touch with the Owner if that helps. When we last saw them they were also planning to be at StJdL in April.

Charlie
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Salon Fluvial St Jean de Losne April 2020 28 Jan 2020 11:49 #113254

Tam Murrell wrote: I recall that in the barge handling contest at the first DBA gathering in La Villette neither Pipers or Sagars could reverse without fairly constant use of a bow thruster.

Regarding the Sagars, probably because of the V shape hull.
I am a too new owner to have extensively experimented reverse manoeuvers on my boat but I suppose that using short power bursts technique could do the job, especially as this boat isn't really subject to prop walk.
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Salon Fluvial St Jean de Losne April 2020 28 Jan 2020 11:28 #113250

"Piper's "bankruptcy""

Can you expand on that and maybe clarify what you mean by the inverted commas?

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Salon Fluvial St Jean de Losne April 2020 28 Jan 2020 10:54 #113247

Fair comment, the newer Pipers are quite wide in the beam and directional stability in reverse is not great, But then possibly those Piper skippers had less handling experience and had become more dependant on the trusters.

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Salon Fluvial St Jean de Losne April 2020 28 Jan 2020 10:50 #113246

I recall that in the barge handling contest at the first DBA gathering in La Villette neither Pipers or Sagars could reverse without fairly constant use of a bow thruster.

Tam

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Salon Fluvial St Jean de Losne April 2020 28 Jan 2020 10:43 #113244

And a further reply to Brian Woodhouse - While for many I know the journey from design to build to sail across the channel was an amazing experience, unless you go N into Belgium & Netherlands, the journey South is initially quite challenging if you have not experienced euro-commercial waterways before. So when you say you want to experience cruising in France quickly, go for second hand and already where you want to cruise.
I will send you & Anne my number via messenger.
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Salon Fluvial St Jean de Losne April 2020 28 Jan 2020 10:38 #113243

A couple of quick points: I agree with Mike about the current build quality of Pipers, and if buying from new then positioning of items is entirely at your discretion and most buyers do have a significant input into design - which is one of the attractions of buying new.
Regarding wheelhouses - Piper offer the fixed wheelhouse on all designs now and I have heard of no complaints.
I suppose, never having had one, that unless you go Hydraulic there will always be a compromise with weather proofing, lightness & ease of lowering.
I was a member of OwnerShips when they went bust - but I did not know that Pipers had financial issues around that time - can you be more specific as your reference to Chapter 11 is a bit vague.
Brian, I think I am in contact with Anne - sorry that you are not yet eligible to join the FB group yet - but if you want specific advice on Pipers then I am happy to oblige but prob best over the phone. I plan to be at The Salon in April & I think there will be a good Piper turnout - hope to see you there.
Finally, there are many Piper owners who cruise single-handed. I find Dea very easy to handle on my own - tho nobody else to blame when things go wrong - and there are others cruising longer Pipers single-handed too.
HTH.

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Salon Fluvial St Jean de Losne April 2020 27 Jan 2020 23:00 #113234

Paul Hayes wrote: Sagar stopped making barges some years ago, unless someone has restarted the business (can't find anything on the web). Although there are a number of 15m examples around France, some at SJdL.

The last of the 53 Sagar barges, Chloe, was made in 2011.
I am the proud owner of one of these beautiful boats and love it !
Merlot, the largest Sagar ever made (60 feet) is for sale in the DBA adverts here: barges.org/adverts/search?classifiedaction=detail&classifiedid=2102

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Salon Fluvial St Jean de Losne April 2020 27 Jan 2020 19:30 #113231

Hello Brian
Good luck with your search.
I would echo Chris's post, with only one additional thought. That is if you decide on a 20m plus, new build,, go for one that gives considerable more length than a metre or so, say 24m. The expense and trouble to go from 19.9 to 21 is just not worth it, and you will be hard to spot the difference inside. Any barge over 20m in Europe should come with a CoV, - ESTRIN - Community Certificate, (see Knowledge Base on the DBA site), if it doesn't have one, insist that one is obtained at the vendors expense.as part of the deal.

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Salon Fluvial St Jean de Losne April 2020 27 Jan 2020 18:37 #113228

Brian, good luck with your barge search and good to hear that you have an open mind, there is currently a good selection of nice barges old and newer for sale. When you get to the continent if you haven't already you'll see that size is not a restriction either.

Don't forget that there are two DBA rallies coming up in May, UK in Chatham on the river Medway and Continental in France at Pontoise. Full details in February Blue Flag out soon. Rallies provide an excellent opportunity for aspiring bargees to meet others, talk barging and have a good look over all types of barges.





Brian Woodhouse wrote: Gentlemen, many thanks for your replies, I am delighted that you have taken the time to respond and for the wealth of information you have given us. We will digest that information and use it to decide on whether or not we make the trip to SJdL in April. Just for information the only thing we know for sure at the moment is that we want to be barging in France as soon as we can; we are not committed to Piper boats or indeed new barges, we are keeping an open mind and intend to look at all options that time will allow. Thank you for offering further advice if needed and we look forward to meeting you all at some point in the not too distant future.
Best wishes Brian

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Salon Fluvial St Jean de Losne April 2020 27 Jan 2020 18:11 #113227

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Gentlemen, many thanks for your replies, I am delighted that you have taken the time to respond and for the wealth of information you have given us. We will digest that information and use it to decide on whether or not we make the trip to SJdL in April. Just for information the only thing we know for sure at the moment is that we want to be barging in France as soon as we can; we are not committed to Piper boats or indeed new barges, we are keeping an open mind and intend to look at all options that time will allow. Thank you for offering further advice if needed and we look forward to meeting you all at some point in the not too distant future.
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Salon Fluvial St Jean de Losne April 2020 26 Jan 2020 23:02 #113208

Hi Brian
I would like to thank Mike for pointing out the miss spelling of Peter Nicholls. I was not referring to Nichols boat hire business, a totally different enterprise.
He does make very nice barges, one 20m example is moored two boats from me, another is owned by Timothy Spall and starred in the British circumnavigation of Britain, shown on TV.
Here is his web site.
www.steelboats.co.uk/

Sagar stopped making barges some years ago, unless someone has restarted the business (can't find anything on the web). Although there are a number of 15m examples around France, some at SJdL.

Delta Marine in Warwickshire is still owned by Garry Ward, again making nice barges, two of which I have driven, one some 400km.

Just beware that both Nicholls and Delta have a preferred standard length of over 20m so ESTRIN comes into play.

To be fair, I have to say that I have driven boats by all of the builders that I mention apart from RLL and Ponder, and they all drive well, I have seen boats by RLl and Ponder, which are nice examples of boat building. We personally have a 19.98m R&D hull built by the present owners of XR&D, who as the name suggests took over the company when R&D ceased to trade about 12 years ago.

Paul

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Salon Fluvial St Jean de Losne April 2020 26 Jan 2020 16:39 #113192

Hi Brian

After reading Paul's post, then if you do come over for 25 and 26 April and you fancy a stop in Auxerre en route one way or other, (great port de plaisaince and city) you should find us there on 'Decize" which is certainly an earlier boat (and, I think, a Branson kit) but can give you a sense of where the latest Pipers came from (and in truth is pretty close in many ways if not in quality of finish you now get).

Just to say, in the list of other makers Paul gives, it's Peter Nicholls not Nichols which made or makes GRP holiday boats I doubt you're interested in! I would definitely say you should add Sagar and Delta Marine to the list as high-end finish.

Good luck!

Mike Gibbons
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Salon Fluvial St Jean de Losne April 2020 26 Jan 2020 15:47 #113190

Salon Fluvial website here

le-salon-fluvial.fr/en/home-en/

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Salon Fluvial St Jean de Losne April 2020 26 Jan 2020 09:57 #113181

Hello Brian

1st, the Salon Fluvial is April 25 - 26.
I am told that there will be a "gathering" of Piper boats present. There have been in the past around 10 Piper boats, but I've never counted.

There are a lot of loyal and proud Piper owners who will talk to potential owners about all things Piper.

In SJdL and Auxonne there are about 15 Pipers wintering over.

I've been on and driven quite a few Piper boats, the later ones have"evolved" into something different from the "D" boats discussed by others. As with all boats, there is no "standard" model, even if the hull shape is the same, each fit out will have different layouts and equipment.

The Fluvial. The first thing to bare in mind is that private boating in France is very, very different to that of England, "ports" or marinas are, 1. Far fewer, 2. Generally much smaller 3. Repair and chandlers much further apart.

As such what might be seen as a "local" event in the UK, becomes a major national (international) event in France. SJdL lies at the centre of the French system (see my piece in December Blue Flag).

What you will be able to see if you attend is the type of 1. Vessels on the water (you might even see a 180m grain barge or 120m hotel ship>, 2 the waterways themselves 3. Type of moorings, repair and service facility and perhaps speak to people with lots of European cruising experience.

Is it worth the effort to visit? That is up to you, how serious you are about buying a barge, getting ideas, looking at alternatives. If it were me I would say yes.

I would also spend time making list of every barde in Europe for sale that I could find whatever the make and include it on my journey plan.

Don't get hung up on 1. Make, 2. Age. 3. Size.
There are many old original barges 40 - 100 years old) that are lovely, like wise anything in France under about 25 years old is considered "new" or at least newish. Being built out of.uch heavier steel than most of the old ones.

Also look around at different UK makers, Such as Ponder, Bluewater, XR&D, RLL, Nichols, to name a few, well worth getting into the car and going to talk to them and look at what they can do. In saying that I am not favouring, or supporting any one maker. It's well worth taking a look, talking possibilities, price etc. Some makers have a set of stock designs, others offer a more bespoke option.

Happy hunting and good luck. It may be that someone else had a boat built to your idea of perfect 20 years ago and it's now on the.market "secondhand".

Also bare in mind that all boats are a compromise in one way or another, I've been on hundreds of different boats and found good Ideas on nearly all.

One of the main things that turn people off a boat is it's colour or condition of its paintwork, which is after all only a few micronds thick and easy to rectify.

Paul Hayes

PS, we should be in SJdL in April, let me know by PM and we can get a coffee and chat.

PPS
The weather has not been too kind the last couple of times, so be prepared for a drop of rain. Also a lot of people come looking at the used boats in the week before hand, to "steal a march" on what's for sale.

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Salon Fluvial St Jean de Losne April 2020 24 Jan 2020 19:18 #113156

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Hi Mike,
Of course by now Decize is a shipshape barge. She was when we parted ways several years ago thanks to you and the others on the Decize management committee.
I thought she was the next to last built under the Ownerships banner, Donjoux being the last, but I don't remember the Donjoux syndicate had the issues we had with Piper's "bankruptcy" so she must have come from somewhere else. I don't think Piper would have dealt with Ownerships after Decize. I remember that the earlier D boats were built much the same above and below. Having been in several, they are quite alike in almost all visual regards except for some differences in size and configuration. Perhaps Ownerships used some kind of a specification and let several places build their barges. If you ever find out where others were built, I'd appreciate knowing just out of curiosity.

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Salon Fluvial St Jean de Losne April 2020 24 Jan 2020 09:45 #113147

As the DBA News section of the Forum is intended for discussion about DBA itself, I am moving this conversation to the 'Barges' section.

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Salon Fluvial St Jean de Losne April 2020 24 Jan 2020 01:10 #113144

Hi Brian

My thoughts, for what they're worth and comments on posts before me:

1. (Pete Clark) I broadly agree with Pete and defer to Paul Hayes about current position if he wants to comment. H20 has a sales list so you can get weekly updates on boats for sale. There are usually several barges on the list though not all, I think, moored at StJdeL. I wouldn't expect to see many replicas either at St Jean or on the list.

2. Harold Flescher. We are still on "Decize" (which I think was the only one of the small fleet built by Pipers) after 19 years and Harold was one of our syndicate for most of it. She was built to a (brilliant) price which brought its own issues that were all sorted in time and therefore should not be compared to current boats but clearly she's been good as we have all extended our syndicate for a further six years and are refurbishing our wheelhouse at the moment.

I have been on many newer Pipers and wouldn't compare anything built by Simon with our boat from a different era. The finish, the design, the fitout is of an altogether higher standard. They feel like a great late Sagar in many ways. If it's what you want then I would recommend a long chat with Piper Owners - join the Facebook page they run!

As for single-handing, my favourite story is of the owner who single-handed for many years past retirement age on his barge, "Para Handy", which I see for sale at the moment -https://www.lighthouseboating.be/forsale/motorboat/motorboot/pip55 - he and we ran down the Nivernais a decade ago and he gave us an object lesson in how you can single-hand very neatly indeed. Better than the two of us who were 25 years younger!

Personally, if I was buying, I would go for private sales if possible to avoid brokers fees; I'd scour Apollo Duck and Boatshed; I'd be all over the For Sale list here on www.barges.org . I wouldn't make a special trip until I had identified boats to view; I'd listen to the advice on the Forum which tends to say 'look in The Netherlands' as a priority but most of all I'd take my time and get the one I really want and the survey says is good!

By all means PM me if you want any more info.

Good luck!

Mike Gibbons
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Salon Fluvial St Jean de Losne April 2020 23 Jan 2020 23:20 #113143

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Be careful when looking at Piper's. They went through the US equivalent of bankruptcy around 2000 and I'm not sure that the barges of this time period were as good as you might want. I was an original owner of Decize which was built for ownerships and I believe to a specific low price. I think the "D? boats I've seen were in that group of barges.
Here are my comments on Decize remembering that I haven't been aboard for 5 years, and remembering that we enjoyed our time as owners. Maybe Mike Gibbons will add to my thoughts. -
General - it was a build to price boat with shares sold by the commissioning company, ergo they too had to make a profit on it.
Hull - many of the bitts were in the wrong places and not enough installed, It was hard to single-hand the boat.
the motor system pretty good except overheating - fixed by us over several years of experimenting with a much larger expansion tank
Wheelhouse - not built particularly well and leaked. We put a new top on it but the doors and windows didn't fit particularly well and leaked certainly in windy rain. In both cases, it took 2 strong people to put it down and up.
Interior - pretty good but cheaply built - 1/8" ply. It created some problems over the years.

I thought the designs of the newer Pipers were really very nice with outside patios. I'd look them over pretty well though.

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Salon Fluvial St Jean de Losne April 2020 23 Jan 2020 23:00 #113141

Hello Brian

If I were buying a new barge I'd be very tempted by a Piper boat. Having met Simon Piper many years ago when planning a narrowboat build, when he had one of his first barges on the stocks, I was very impressed with him and his work, and having seen a few on the water here in France and spoken to some owners in the meantime, I remain impressed.

I don't want to knock H2o but they tend to concentrate more on cruisers than barges, though they normally have 2 or 3 barges up for sale at any one time. So other than Piper boats having set up next door a couple of years ago, I wouldn't expect to see many other barges or barge builders at the Salon Fluvial. However, I left SJdL in 2017 so someone like Paul, who lives there, could probably give you more up-to-date advice.

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Salon Fluvial St Jean de Losne April 2020 23 Jan 2020 16:04 #113128

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Once we have sold our narrowboat we will be looking to buy a Dutch style barge. After visiting the Piper open day at Henley last September we are seriously considering making the trip to France (where we would like to cruise) to again look at Piper boats, but also to hopefully speak with boat owners who are currently cruising the French waterways and any other boat builders who might be there.

There diesn't yet appear to be much information on what we might expect to see and whether this is a worthwhile trip and expense for our needs. Have other members been in previous years and would they recommend a visit to the event?

Many thanks for your help
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