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Fioul or Fuel - for heating in our Old Dutch Kabola. 26 Jan 2020 16:06 #113191

Glad it worked out - toasty sounds good! :)

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Fioul or Fuel - for heating in our Old Dutch Kabola. 25 Jan 2020 18:34 #113174

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Pete Jeffs is a star! In 2 hours he got our Old Dutch running better than ever since we got Beatrix in Summer 2018.
Thank you Pete Clark for the recommendation - so timely too. We are now toasty in frozen France.
Thanks too to DBA members and this wonderful forum, to the rescue once again.
Have a great weekend all.
S & J

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Fioul or Fuel - for heating in our Old Dutch Kabola. 24 Jan 2020 18:50 #113155

PS: Peter Jeffs is not a member as far as I know but can be found in the Suppliers' Guide under "Marine Heating Ltd (was P J Marine)"

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Fioul or Fuel - for heating in our Old Dutch Kabola. 24 Jan 2020 18:45 #113154

Hi Both

I spoke with Peter this morning and I gather he now has you on his itinerary on his way from Strasbourg via Saverne over the weekend (there was a bit of a mix up with the capitainerie in Saverne so I was only able to confirm a booking with him today, but now AOK). Glad it worked out, and hope all is well.

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Fioul or Fuel - for heating in our Old Dutch Kabola. 23 Jan 2020 23:17 #113142

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Brilliant thanks so much Pete.

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Fioul or Fuel - for heating in our Old Dutch Kabola. 23 Jan 2020 22:39 #113139

Hi Simon & Judy

As it happens I believe Peter Jeffs is over here at the moment. I don't have his exact itinerary but he did mention Strasbourg and also offered to come by Saverne this weekend. If you contact him immediately you may just be in luck. Here are his details:

+441189478521

+447815576532

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Fioul or Fuel - for heating in our Old Dutch Kabola. 23 Jan 2020 21:56 #113136

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Happy New Year Pete , Paul et al,
We are just back on board Beatrix in Lacroix sur Meuse, and it’s un peu frais to say the least.
Kabola refuses to burn clean and I knew I had spoken to soon back in October. It has a mind of it’s own, or it’s an art I have failed to master..
So it may be worth talking to Mr Peter Jeffs. I can’t a find him on the membership search. Is he a member? Is he in France? Perhaps you could share his contacts please?
Luckily we have shore power and fan heaters etc... so hyperthermia averted.

We’d really appreciate chatting to any members about our options for modernising our heating in France, I think I’ve read all of the Kabola threads. It maybe that ours needs a strip down, new jet and scraper, catalyst etc, but ultimately it needs replacing for something more reliable and efficient for the French winters to come.
Best Simon

Pete Clark wrote: Only just now caught up with this thread. Same here too (CMRE) - lovely weekend weather!

We've been using Fioul for years now in our old Kabola, no problems at all. Last time he serviced it Peter Jeffs said it almost hadn't been worth coming by, it was so clean. But I'm glad he did - turned wet & windy overnight, wouldn't want to be without our trusty old Kabola! (Instead I spent a happy Sunday mending the loo. Hey ho).

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Fioul or Fuel - for heating in our Old Dutch Kabola. 24 Sep 2019 09:14 #109720

Hi Simon

Good to hear you are snug and warm without combination problems. Hopefully you will be snug all winter.
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Fioul or Fuel - for heating in our Old Dutch Kabola. 23 Sep 2019 07:57 #109669

Only just now caught up with this thread. Same here too (CMRE) - lovely weekend weather!

We've been using Fioul for years now in our old Kabola, no problems at all. Last time he serviced it Peter Jeffs said it almost hadn't been worth coming by, it was so clean. But I'm glad he did - turned wet & windy overnight, wouldn't want to be without our trusty old Kabola! (Instead I spent a happy Sunday mending the loo. Hey ho).

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Fioul or Fuel - for heating in our Old Dutch Kabola. 22 Sep 2019 21:48 #109665

Simon Lawson wrote: PS it’s raining ☔️ !!!!!

And in Old Dutch Friesland today, 25 deg. No thought of Kabolas yet!
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Fioul or Fuel - for heating in our Old Dutch Kabola. 22 Sep 2019 21:04 #109663

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PS it’s raining ☔️ !!!!!

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Fioul or Fuel - for heating in our Old Dutch Kabola. 22 Sep 2019 20:57 #109662

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So Paul,
Here we are 4 months later and the nights are drawing in, and the mornings that bit chillier.
In preparation for the autumn, I swept the chimney, enhanced and agitated the Rosé mix, and low and behold we ran the Kabola for an hour or so, without yellow flames 🔥 or flameouts.
We maybe coincé à Verdun mais on vas être chaud comme il faut.
Merci. Si & Jude.

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Fioul or Fuel - for heating in our Old Dutch Kabola. 16 May 2019 13:36 #105810

Hi Simon
Thanks for the kind words, maybe I just guessed lucky :-)
I've just found this, but do not have the time to read it, there may be something to help.
www.canalworld.net/forums/index.php?/topic/93078-kabola-old-dutch-diesel-stove/
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Fioul or Fuel - for heating in our Old Dutch Kabola. 16 May 2019 10:44 #105808

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Thanks Paul - you're rapidly becoming my guru on many things bargewise! (Cooling system on Luca - fixed thanks to your diagnostic advice)
Now this fuel issue. I'll try what you have suggested - flue cleaning, agitation and more paraffin.. and if it's not sorted by the time we catch up with you somewhere around Saint Jean de Losne - or wherever - then you'll be welcome to it for your heating tank!
I'll keep you posted. Simon

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Fioul or Fuel - for heating in our Old Dutch Kabola. 15 May 2019 21:02 #105803

Hi Simon.
It sounds like you are moving in the correct direction.
Obviously I don't know the way your tank and fuel lines are situated, did you manage to "agitate" when mixing, even if only relying on gravity to cause some agitation in the tank?
It is possible for fuels of a different viscosity to "stratify" in the same tank, a bit like oil and water. I'm wondering if this might have happened. The lighter petrole sitting on top of the heavier fuel.
If it did agitate and mix given that you have a total of nearly 200 L of "thick" and 20 L of "thin" you only have just above a 10% mix.
Before "dumping" it, I'd be inclined to add a further 20 L Petrole to the mix, agitating if at all possible (remove the man (or woman) access lid if you have on and stir with a wooden stick). Another way of agitating it is to put a thin tube down it and pump air though it with a decent size bike pump, trying to waft the pipe around inside the tank. Don't use anything that could cause a spark.
Another point, have you cleaned the flue lately? It's strange that a blue flame changes to orange (fuel rich - air weak), is the flue outlet obstructed at all, I was asked once to check on a boiler that was "OK yesterday, today it's just not right today, and you serviced it two weeks ago", only to find another ship breasted up against the flue outlet. Remove the obstruction and all was well with the world. The guy in the other ship did say his bathroom was nice and warm.
I really hope that you can get this to burn correctly.
Red of any sort in the engine tank is a no go.
If I was close I'd pump the mix int my heating tank, but I'm nowhere near, perhaps another bargee may take it off you hands, question is what do you you replace it with, neat Petrole? What does the burner instructions say about that?
Paul
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Fioul or Fuel - for heating in our Old Dutch Kabola. 15 May 2019 20:14 #105802

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Hmmm - I think in the interests of keeping my heating problems limited to my old dutch kabola stove, I'll stick to the fuel problem :) :( which is still unresolved. Having added 20litres of Pétrole as Paul suggested, I have tried to light several times, hoping to have burnt off the fuel left in the lines, before adding paraffin, and cleaning the sooty mess in-between. On the last lighting - all was going well, it started blue, flared up nicely - as it should - but then died down again to deep orange flames!
Stove is not happy. I wonder whether I should try adding more paraffin (Pétrole) or - just run it gradually into my engine fuel tank - mixed liberally with straight diesel. Current mix in the heating oil tank is approx: 80 litres red diesel (ex-UK) 110 litres "Fioul" (red french heating oil!) and 20 litres Pétrole. I really don't know what to do for the best... even if i wanted to get rid of it all - how would I safely and legally get rid of 200 ltrs of this dodgy diesel mix? Paul - any further suggestions? - It does seem to burn cleaner since adding the pétrole - I think!
Help please. Simon

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Fioul or Fuel - for heating in our Old Dutch Kabola. 15 May 2019 17:35 #105801

Hahaha
I might be a " Machinery Nut" - But I'll use the boiler to keep warm, and "my better half" firmly in the galley providing food and washing up !!!! Hahahahaha - ahhhhhhh.
If I don't post here for a while, it means my dear wife has read this, so call the police.................................. :-)
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Fioul or Fuel - for heating in our Old Dutch Kabola. 15 May 2019 17:05 #105799

Paul Hayes wrote: Yep, my boiler likes to drink Rosé.
Paul


In the interests of marital harmony, don't you think "my better half" would sound better?

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Fioul or Fuel - for heating in our Old Dutch Kabola. 12 May 2019 20:33 #105730

Yep, my boiler likes to drink Rosé.
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Fioul or Fuel - for heating in our Old Dutch Kabola. 12 May 2019 19:19 #105723

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Thanks Paul. That makes sense I’ll give it a try. At about 1:5 parrafin (pétrole) to Fioul - you reckon.?

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Fioul or Fuel - for heating in our Old Dutch Kabola. 12 May 2019 17:52 #105718

Add 20 litres of paraffin (petroleum in France) from the supermarket and the mixture will burn ok.
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Fioul or Fuel - for heating in our Old Dutch Kabola. 12 May 2019 17:50 #105716

Simply, heating fuel (red fioul) is less refined than Red Diesel. the equivalent to Red Diesel in France is GNR, Gazole Non Routier.
Much written on the forum in the past, about this, a search should find a more detailed explanation.
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Fioul or Fuel - for heating in our Old Dutch Kabola. 12 May 2019 15:28 #105710

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Hi Forum Folks, and greetings all from St Laurent Blangy, Arras.
We are soon to leave this wonderful winter mooring and set off towards Belgium on the next stage of our voyage. As we were running low on red in our heating tank, which fuels a Kabola Old Dutch stove - and it's still quite cold here, I have filled up the heating tank with red or Fioul as it's called here. Now I have read most of the posts about "red" and had no intention of running on this Fioul - But since putting a hundred or so litres into the heating tank the Kabola refuses to burn blue - despite a thorough clean - it was burning blue fine on our remaining stock of Thames "red" before I filled up.

Is French heating red fioul thicker or dirtier than UK red? From the posts I've read here it's meant to be ok for heating or running a generator on.
Could I run my engine on it - theoretically - if it's too thick to burn properly in the Kabola? I don't want to do this but want to know if it's a possibility - to run the stock down and then top up with white diesel?
Has anybody else had this problem with running a Kabola on fioul - have I made a total blunder in thinking this was the same as red in the UK? The fuel suppliers told me you could run engines on it - just that it was illegal to do so!
All advice gratefully received as per.

Simon on Beatrix.

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